Logs for 20240114 and 20240211 meetings

Signed-off-by: Ulrich Müller <ulm@gentoo.org>

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+<@ulm> meeting time                                                     [20:00]
+<@ulm> !proj council
+<willikins> (council@gentoo.org) ajak, dilfridge, mattst88, mgorny, sam, soap,
+            ulm
+<@sam_> \o
+* soap here
+<@ulm> agenda: https://marc.info/?l=gentoo-project&m=170474770913416&w=2
+* mattst88 here
+* mgorny here
+<@ulm> 1. roll call
+* sam_ here
+* ajak here
+* ulm here
+<+Arsen> here (in place of dilfridge)
+<@ulm> ok, all here                                                     [20:01]
+<@ulm> 2. Foundation dissolution status update
+<@ulm> no news, I fear
+<@ulm> or has somebody reached out to other distros?
+<@sam_> I reached out to adelie but I need to speak to someone else     [20:02]
+<@sam_> (the person I spoke to passed me onto someone else, and I need to
+        follow that up)
+<@ulm> k
+<@ulm> thanks
+<@ulm> so hopefully some update next month
+<@ulm> anyone else wants to speak up?                                   [20:03]
+<@ulm> 3. Refresh Hetzner servers
+<@ulm> https://marc.info/?l=gentoo-project&m=170415728917799&w=2
+<@ulm> robbat2: are you here?
+<@ulm> IIUC it's additional cost of 4 euros per month plus 39 euros one-time
+       charge                                                           [20:04]
+<@ulm> so looks like a no-brainer?                                      [20:05]
+<@ulm> any comments?
+<@mattst88> seems good to me                                            [20:06]
+<@mgorny> lgtm
+<+Arsen> dilf has mentioned that he'd like it to stay in europe, and AX102
+         seems to match his description
+<@sam_> yeah, I hadn't clocked before that oystercatcher was already at
+        Hetzner
+<@sam_> it sounds good to me 
+<@ajak> i don't hate the idea of adding drives to OSL but i don't feel super
+        strongly
+<@sam_> that's the 2nd bit i think ajak
+<@sam_> rather than the refresh
+<+Arsen> right, think so too
+<@ajak> oh sorry
+<+Arsen> the refresh is new metal for the binhost, yes?
+<@ajak> yes
+<@ulm> so, let's vote                                                   [20:07]
+<@ulm> motion: approve infra's request to refresh the Hetzner servers
+* mattst88 yes
+* mgorny yes
+* Arsen yes
+* sam_ yes
+* ajak yes
+* soap yes
+* ulm yes
+<@ulm> unanimous with 7 yes votes
+<@ulm> thanks
+<@ulm> 4. Hardware for online historical distfile archive
+<@ulm> same mail message as above, plus bug 834712                      [20:08]
+<willikins> ulm: https://bugs.gentoo.org/834712 ""Old" or "historical" Gentoo
+            distfiles mirror"; Gentoo Infrastructure, Other; CONF;
+            badatcomputerslongytemail:infra-bugs
+<@sam_> first I'd just want to say I think fixing the bug is pretty important
+<@sam_> especially for stuff like our own patchsets 
+<@sam_> preserving our history matters but also helping users upgrade old
+        systems, and also verifying provenance
+<@sam_> so i'm glad we're looking at it
+<+arthurzam> (just noting that both links brought up in the mail are "out of
+             stock", so you might need to approve price range and not precise
+             one)
+<@sam_> wrt the ML discussion: it's not in robbat2's proposal, but I wouldn't
+        want us to do amazon as some suggested                          [20:09]
+<@sam_> nixos have got themselves into *very* deep financial issues by leaning
+        heavily on AWS
+<@sam_>
+        https://discourse.nixos.org/t/the-nixos-foundations-call-to-action-s3-costs-require-community-support/28672
+                                                                        [20:10]
+<@sam_>
+        https://discourse.nixos.org/t/s3-update-and-recap-of-community-call/28942
+<@sam_> https://discourse.nixos.org/t/nixos-s3-short-term-resolution/29413
+<@mgorny> yes, we really don't want to use amazon for anything
+<@mgorny> if only because the guy's total asshole
+<@mgorny> and because they never replied to us wrt open source credits
+* ajak nods                                                             [20:11]
+<@soap> agreed
+<@ulm> robbat2's first preference was to buy some physical drives
+<@sam_> (they're literally forking out $10k/mo)
+<@sam_> yeah, I think that's my preference too
+<@mgorny> yep                                                           [20:12]
+<+Arsen> dilfridge mentioned that the 'extra new machine for the archive
+         server is also good'
+<@mgorny> my only concern is copyright
+<@mgorny> i'm worried that at least some of the historical distfiles haven't
+          been restricted properly
+<+Arsen> that is quite possible
+<@ulm> yeah, we sort that out as we go
+<@mgorny> also i wonder if we should try contacting archive.org
+<@mgorny> i mean, archiving software is one of the things they do       [20:13]
+<@sam_> Eli isn't around at the moment (sourcehut is being ddos'd) but IIRC
+        he'd mentioned before that archive.org handles something like the Arch
+        distfiles set
+<@sam_> would be worth asking about that as well (although not a blocker)
+<@ulm> mgorny: we'll only put files there that we had mirrored at some point
+       in the past, right?
+<+Arsen> seems reasonable
+<@ajak> yeah good idea but i think we should maintain our own primary
+        repository and maybe get them to mirror it or something
+<@ajak> (since presumably our mirrors won't)                            [20:14]
+<@mattst88> yeah, I suggest we just buy some disks first and get the project
+            moving                                                      [20:15]
+<@ulm> motion: approve infra's request to buy physical disk drives for an
+       online historical distfile archive
+* sam_ yes                                                              [20:16]
+* ajak yes
+* Arsen yes
+* mattst88 yes
+* mgorny yes
+* soap yes
+* ulm yes
+<@ulm> unanimous with 7 yes votes
+<@ulm> 5. Open bugs with Council participation
+<@ulm> I see only bug 920711 at this time                               [20:17]
+<willikins> ulm: https://bugs.gentoo.org/920711 "Removal of legacy distfile
+            mirror layout breaks ebuilds and eclasses which use
+            mirror://gentoo"; Gentoo Council, unspecified; CONF;
+            eschwartz93:council
+<@mgorny> i don't think this is really a council issue
+<@sam_> I don't think we want to undo anything with the migration there, it's
+        more that we should be aware of it given it happened because of our
+        decision
+<@sam_> we just need to get on with killing mirror://gentoo finally
+<@mgorny> we should 1) not use mirror://gentoo for new stuff
+<@ulm> +1
+<@mgorny> 2) for old stuff, we can update it to use mirror://gentoo/XX/...
+<@ulm> but see my comment #4                                            [20:18]
+<@sam_> yeah, I was just about to cite that
+<@mgorny> but we really need infra to finally set up proper distfile hosting
+<@ulm> anyway, let's reassign that bug (to whom?)
+<@sam_> I guess it's a qa thing
+<@sam_> turn it into a tracker                                          [20:19]
+<@ulm> I'd have reassigned to mgorny, but qa wfm :)
+<@mgorny> mgorny = qa
+* mgorny hides
+<@ulm> anyway, let's move on                                            [20:20]
+<@ulm> 6. open floor
+<@ulm> nothing?                                                         [20:21]
+<@mattst88> doesn't look like it :)
+<@ulm> meeting is closed then. thanks, everybody                        [20:22]
+<@ajak> thanks!
+<@mgorny> thanks
+<@mattst88> thanks :)
+*** ulm (~ulm@gentoo/developer/ulm) has set the topic for #gentoo-council:
+    "246th meeting: 2024-02-11 19:00 UTC |
+    https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20240211T19 |
+    https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Council |
+    https://dev.gentoo.org/~dilfridge/decisions.pdf"
+<+Arsen> o/ thanks
+<@sam_> thank you!
+<@soap> thanks!
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+<@ulm> !proj council                                                    [20:00]
+<willikins> (council@gentoo.org) ajak, dilfridge, mattst88, mgorny, sam, soap,
+            ulm
+<@ulm> meeting time
+<@sam_> wee
+<@ulm> agenda: https://marc.info/?l=gentoo-project&m=170759379812682&w=2
+<@ulm> 1. roll call
+* arthurzam here (proxy for mattst88)
+* dilfridge|mobile here
+* mgorny here
+* sam_ here
+* soap here
+* ajak here                                                             [20:01]
+* ulm here
+<@ulm> perfect
+<@ulm> 2. Foundation dissolution status update
+<@ulm> no news I fear
+<@dilfridge|mobile> Yes
+<@ulm> dilfridge and I shall prepare a letter to SPI for the next meeting
+                                                                        [20:02]
+<@ulm> dilfridge|mobile: do you want to add anything?
+<@sam_> only update from me is that I spoke to zv from Adelie after I was
+        recommended reaching out but he's secretary (or some other role) there
+        and didn't have much to say in terms of adelie's experience (not
+        negatively, just wasn't really seemingly interested in talking about
+        it, which is fine)
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+<@mgorny> can we handle the letter (if vote is required) via a bug, to avoid
+          further delays?
+<@dilfridge|mobile> Nothing to add from me                              [20:03]
+<@dilfridge|mobile> and in my opinion we can
+<@ulm> or we could have an extra meeting, maybe joint council and trustees
+<@ulm> but no objection to bug
+<@dilfridge|mobile> since this is for becoming assoicated project       [20:04]
+<@dilfridge|mobile> not (yet) transfer of funds
+<@ulm> anything else for this item?
+<@ulm> if not, let's move on                                            [20:05]
+<@ulm> 3. open bugs with council participation
+<@sam_> +1 on mgorny's suggestion
+<@ulm> there are none :)
+<@dilfridge|mobile> Wow.
+<@ulm> 4. open floor
+<@ulm> anything?
+<+NeddySeagoon> Is that a record?
+<@ulm> probably :)
+<@dilfridge|mobile> First call for testing 23.0 profiles / stages sometime in
+                 the next days                                          [20:06]
+<@dilfridge|mobile> Only ppc, ppc64, sparc, s390, ricv, x87
+<@ulm> x87?                                                             [20:07]
+<+NeddySeagoon> arm64 works
+<@dilfridge|mobile> Tzpo
+<@dilfridge|mobile> Neddy: pssst
+<@ulm> anything else for open floor?
+<@sam_> nothing from me
+* ulm bangs the gavel                                                   [20:08]
+<@ulm> meeting closed
+<@sam_> thank you and wow, must be a record
+<@mgorny> thanks
+<+arthurzam> that was a great proxying from me :)
+<@ajak> thanks!
+<+arthurzam> thanks
+*** ulm (~ulm@gentoo/developer/ulm) has set the topic for #gentoo-council:
+    "247th meeting: 2024-03-10 19:00 UTC |
+    https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20240310T19 |
+    https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Council |
+    https://dev.gentoo.org/~dilfridge/decisions.pdf"
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