initial trustee meeting logs import

12 files changed, 3645 insertions, 0 deletions

diff --git a/2010/20100117_trustees_meeting_log.txt b/2010/20100117_trustees_meeting_log.txt
new file mode 100644
index 0000000..4ac584e
--- /dev/null
+++ b/2010/20100117_trustees_meeting_log.txt
@@ -0,0 +1,301 @@
+Jan 17 14:00:56 <NeddySeagoon>	We have a quorum ... lets start
+Jan 17 14:01:14 <NeddySeagoon>	Meeting is being logged, and robbat2 is posting.  I'm logging too
+Jan 17 14:01:38 <NeddySeagoon>	3. Old Business  ... we will come back to tsunam stuff
+Jan 17 14:01:59 <NeddySeagoon>	quantumsummers ... SFLC Update 
+Jan 17 14:02:39 <quantumsummers>	1. I am working on a tentative budget for the Foundation based on a $20,000 USD annual income
+Jan 17 14:03:18 <quantumsummers>	2. I am collecting letters of support from the community, so far I have 1 from D'Youville College, I should see one from MIT this week or next
+Jan 17 14:03:22 <NeddySeagoon>	ok, lets see if we can't boost that in years to come - we have never done any active fundraising
+Jan 17 14:03:53 <quantumsummers>	indeed, I think we will have good luck there
+Jan 17 14:04:19 <quantumsummers>	lets see ...
+Jan 17 14:04:41 <quantumsummers>	I need to notify the community (dev & user) to get more letters of support
+Jan 17 14:04:56 *	quantumsummers will add that to the list, if its ok with the board
+Jan 17 14:04:58 <NeddySeagoon>	ok
+Jan 17 14:05:08 <quantumsummers>	at this point I have been soliciting personally
+Jan 17 14:05:41 <quantumsummers>	3. Once the budget is complete, and I have a few more letters I think we are good to go
+Jan 17 14:05:51 <quantumsummers>	as in submit the application
+Jan 17 14:06:02 <quantumsummers>	I'll be talking with Karen next week
+Jan 17 14:06:07 <robbat2>	must the letters be from orgs/users within the US?
+Jan 17 14:06:11 <quantumsummers>	no
+Jan 17 14:06:25 <quantumsummers>	we want US entities, but others are most wecome
+Jan 17 14:06:30 <quantumsummers>	*welcome
+Jan 17 14:06:35 <NeddySeagoon>	I'm happy with an email to -nfp and -dev-announce but at them moment, not -foundation-announce
+Jan 17 14:06:47 <robbat2>	and by entities, companies or edu/nfp?
+Jan 17 14:06:51 <quantumsummers>	it will favor us to demonstrate the international nature of the work
+Jan 17 14:07:01 <quantumsummers>	robbat2: any org 
+Jan 17 14:07:15 <quantumsummers>	companies, Unis, ngo,nfp
+Jan 17 14:07:16 <robbat2>	ok, I can write some of the infra sponsors and some other former contacts
+Jan 17 14:07:25 <quantumsummers>	robbat2: that would be wonderful
+Jan 17 14:07:38 <quantumsummers>	please CC me if you don't mind
+Jan 17 14:07:50 <quantumsummers>	or CC trustees
+Jan 17 14:08:03 <robbat2>	sure
+Jan 17 14:08:04 <quantumsummers>	that is all on sflc & 501c3
+Jan 17 14:08:31 <NeddySeagoon>	next item Certified Public Accountant (Quotes) ... still quantumsummers 
+Jan 17 14:08:36 <quantumsummers>	I think it would be good to have the draft to the board by the beginning of Feb for review
+Jan 17 14:08:46 <quantumsummers>	for comments that is
+Jan 17 14:08:54 <NeddySeagoon>	quantumsummers, thats only two weeks
+Jan 17 14:09:17 <quantumsummers>	yes, its just the normal stuff, the budget, narrative
+Jan 17 14:09:31 <quantumsummers>	the letters, we can take some time on
+Jan 17 14:09:33 <NeddySeagoon>	ok - if you are happy with that target
+Jan 17 14:09:46 <quantumsummers>	I would really like to see the app submitted before March 31
+Jan 17 14:10:20 <NeddySeagoon>	yeah - there could be a board shuffle in early April
+Jan 17 14:10:32 <quantumsummers>	ok, CPA: for some reason I have not received anything from either my local CPA or the CPA sflc recommended. I will follow up on Monday. My request may have been lost in the tax-prep shuffle
+Jan 17 14:10:44 <NeddySeagoon>	ok
+Jan 17 14:10:48 <quantumsummers>	sorry, I have so little there
+Jan 17 14:11:08 *	bonsaikitten has quit (Excess Flood)
+Jan 17 14:11:10 <NeddySeagoon>	Robert Buchholz  - Gentoo Developer Certificate 
+Jan 17 14:11:18 <quantumsummers>	Printed & ready to send
+Jan 17 14:11:33 <NeddySeagoon>	quantumsummers, he was only wanting a PDF file
+Jan 17 14:11:34 <quantumsummers>	I can do that early this week (send it)
+Jan 17 14:11:40 <quantumsummers>	oh, really
+Jan 17 14:11:51 <quantumsummers>	heh, ok, I will email it to him then.
+Jan 17 14:12:28 <NeddySeagoon>	send the cert snail mail too, it will be nice to look back on in years to come
+Jan 17 14:12:49 <quantumsummers>	sure, since I have it already. I think I'll need his addy. I can ask for that when I email the cert
+Jan 17 14:13:02 <NeddySeagoon>	yep
+Jan 17 14:13:07 <quantumsummers>	ok.
+Jan 17 14:13:09 <NeddySeagoon>	next item  Notify New Foundation Members  - quantumsummers 
+Jan 17 14:13:32 <quantumsummers>	Added to my list. Given that we have a new applicant this meeting, I will do it all in one go later today
+Jan 17 14:13:34 *	NeddySeagoon likes dabbotts new agend layout
+Jan 17 14:13:42 *	quantumsummers does to
+Jan 17 14:13:43 <NeddySeagoon>	ok
+Jan 17 14:14:01 <quantumsummers>	its not in the agenda
+Jan 17 14:14:13 <quantumsummers>	but the KM is up, so let me know if you have questions
+Jan 17 14:14:14 <NeddySeagoon>	Next item - Rotating Sidebar - robbat2 
+Jan 17 14:14:39 <NeddySeagoon>	quantumsummers, heh - I broke it by living in Scotland
+Jan 17 14:14:47 <quantumsummers>	no breakage, that is my fault
+Jan 17 14:14:48 <robbat2>	no news on it yet, i've been setting up some new infra boxes where it will live, just got access to them this past friday
+Jan 17 14:14:58 <robbat2>	motmot & magpie.g.o, hosted at VR.org
+Jan 17 14:15:02 <quantumsummers>	robbat2: have you audited the code?
+Jan 17 14:15:06 <robbat2>	partially
+Jan 17 14:15:12 <quantumsummers>	any thoughts?
+Jan 17 14:15:22 <robbat2>	looks like it should work great
+Jan 17 14:15:30 <quantumsummers>	also, if you want some pointers on deployment, I can assist
+Jan 17 14:15:35 <robbat2>	and I want 48 hour days
+Jan 17 14:15:35 <NeddySeagoon>	We have the go ahead from our members
+Jan 17 14:15:39 <quantumsummers>	we have an ebuild tempalte for stuff like that
+Jan 17 14:16:16 *	quantumsummers feels robbat2's pain on that
+Jan 17 14:16:35 <quantumsummers>	20 hour days for the past couple of weeks fo rme
+Jan 17 14:16:37 <NeddySeagoon>	any more on the sidebar ?
+Jan 17 14:16:38 <dabbott>	we need at least 2 robbat2 
+Jan 17 14:16:43 <quantumsummers>	lol
+Jan 17 14:16:54 *	tcunha has quit ("Lost terminal")
+Jan 17 14:17:03 <quantumsummers>	yeah, where is robbat1?
+Jan 17 14:17:04 <robbat2>	nothing else on the sidebar at this time. i'm hoping to launch it by feb 3rd
+Jan 17 14:17:10 <quantumsummers>	nice
+Jan 17 14:17:14 <robbat2>	but i'm going to FOSDEM, so it might hold off till I return
+Jan 17 14:17:21 <armin76>	we could have 2 robbat1 *g*
+Jan 17 14:17:27 *	tcunha (n=tiago@gentoo/developer/tcunha) has joined #gentoo-trustees
+Jan 17 14:17:42 <NeddySeagoon>	robbat2, I wish I was going to FOSDEM ... next year maybe
+Jan 17 14:17:52 *	quantumsummers might try for next year too
+Jan 17 14:18:00 <quantumsummers>	sounds like a ton of fun
+Jan 17 14:18:23 <NeddySeagoon>	next item  Emails Received & Status - dabbott 
+Jan 17 14:18:45 <quantumsummers>	dabbott: I have the email you are missing
+Jan 17 14:18:52 <dabbott>	I just have been attempting to keep track of emails received
+Jan 17 14:19:08 <quantumsummers>	http://dpaste.com/146541/
+Jan 17 14:19:13 <dabbott>	and the status
+Jan 17 14:19:20 <quantumsummers>	dabbott: if you want, we can put that in the KM
+Jan 17 14:19:30 <dabbott>	that would be great
+Jan 17 14:19:52 <NeddySeagoon>	quantumsummers, we need all the old emails there too.
+Jan 17 14:20:04 <dabbott>	most of the emails are for advertising requests
+Jan 17 14:20:12 <quantumsummers>	NeddySeagoon: I will see about that soon.
+Jan 17 14:20:17 <NeddySeagoon>	quantumsummers, ok
+Jan 17 14:20:44 *	Arfrever has quit ("Exre (KVIrc 4)")
+Jan 17 14:20:53 <NeddySeagoon>	dabbott, any more on emails ?
+Jan 17 14:21:03 <dabbott>	no thats it
+Jan 17 14:21:19 <NeddySeagoon>	next item CD/DVD Policy & Guidelines - dabbott 
+Jan 17 14:21:52 <NeddySeagoon>	dabbott, thats a good page you put up.  It needs to link to the guidelines page
+Jan 17 14:22:21 <dabbott>	looking for comments suggestions that is just on my dev space for now
+Jan 17 14:22:56 <NeddySeagoon>	dabbott,  I'm going blind - the link to the guidelines is there
+Jan 17 14:23:03 <quantumsummers>	dabbott: I might change the Definition of Gentoo Project to say: is supported by the Gentoo Foundation ( as opposed to directed)
+Jan 17 14:23:21 <dabbott>	once approved I can move it
+Jan 17 14:23:24 <quantumsummers>	that could be a bit touchy
+Jan 17 14:23:38 <NeddySeagoon>	quantumsummers, heh
+Jan 17 14:24:02 <quantumsummers>	just saying
+Jan 17 14:24:10 <quantumsummers>	:)
+Jan 17 14:24:11 <NeddySeagoon>	any more changes?
+Jan 17 14:24:34 <quantumsummers>	we can't say we're not-for-profit yet
+Jan 17 14:24:45 <quantumsummers>	well maybe we can
+Jan 17 14:24:50 <quantumsummers>	I'll ask Karen
+Jan 17 14:25:01 <NeddySeagoon>	quantumsummers, we have been saying it for years ... why stop now ?
+Jan 17 14:25:09 <quantumsummers>	good point
+Jan 17 14:25:30 <dabbott>	I just copied it from some other document :)
+Jan 17 14:25:43 <quantumsummers>	ok, looks generally good to me
+Jan 17 14:25:50 *	NeddySeagoon proposes that the page be commited to foundation space with the one change above
+Jan 17 14:25:52 <dabbott>	quantumsummers, ask Karen
+Jan 17 14:26:08 *	quantumsummers seconds the proposal from NeddySeagoon
+Jan 17 14:26:09 <robbat2>	+1
+Jan 17 14:26:14 <dabbott>	+1
+Jan 17 14:26:17 <NeddySeagoon>	+1
+Jan 17 14:26:18 <quantumsummers>	+1
+Jan 17 14:26:21 <quantumsummers>	& done
+Jan 17 14:26:26 <NeddySeagoon>	carried
+Jan 17 14:26:58 <NeddySeagoon>	next  Donation and Vendor Advertising Policy and Guidelines - NeddySeagoon 
+Jan 17 14:27:01 <quantumsummers>	ok so its s/directed/supported
+Jan 17 14:27:10 <NeddySeagoon>	quantumsummers, yes
+Jan 17 14:27:20 <quantumsummers>	please continue sir
+Jan 17 14:27:42 <NeddySeagoon>	quantumsummers, I was afraid you would say that 
+Jan 17 14:28:19 <quantumsummers>	this policy could be a tad large for one person
+Jan 17 14:28:44 <quantumsummers>	I can ask Karen to assist, might be good to have a lawyer looking over things like this
+Jan 17 14:28:48 <NeddySeagoon>	I've been slacking, so I've done nothing :(  Now we have the vote re large users from our members I really need to do something
+Jan 17 14:29:27 <NeddySeagoon>	quantumsummers, a policy should be a small document.  The detail for implementing it might be large
+Jan 17 14:30:09 <quantumsummers>	<0.02> we need to be really careful here. I have been following some discussion on this on a mail list that some of the large foss folks are on. I am concerned people feel that we are selling advertising
+Jan 17 14:30:17 <NeddySeagoon>	I will email some ideas to trustees@ by the end of January
+Jan 17 14:30:36 <quantumsummers>	ok, sounds good
+Jan 17 14:30:58 <quantumsummers>	NeddySeagoon: didi you see the research I had done on other models?
+Jan 17 14:31:01 <NeddySeagoon>	Who is <0.02> ?
+Jan 17 14:31:03 <robbat2>	quantumsummers, re that, for each of the infra sponsors, i've tried to have some text as to what they do with Gentoo on the sponsors page
+Jan 17 14:31:08 <quantumsummers>	2 cents tag
+Jan 17 14:31:08 <NeddySeagoon>	quantumsummers, yes
+Jan 17 14:31:36 <quantumsummers>	robbat2: yes, we need things like that so as not to appear that we are "selling out"
+Jan 17 14:31:59 <NeddySeagoon>	quantumsummers, yes - agreed - I don't want it to be perceived as selling advertising
+Jan 17 14:32:21 <quantumsummers>	I was surprised by some responses. It seems a sematic difference not one of substance
+Jan 17 14:32:35 <quantumsummers>	anyhow, its all on phrasing
+Jan 17 14:32:42 <quantumsummers>	*in phrasing
+Jan 17 14:32:58 <quantumsummers>	we need more PR peeps
+Jan 17 14:33:15 <NeddySeagoon>	Not to get bogged down - I would like large users to put something on our site as to how large and in what capacity they use gentoo
+Jan 17 14:33:37 <quantumsummers>	put that in your policy notes
+Jan 17 14:33:47 <NeddySeagoon>	before they get sidebar space
+Jan 17 14:33:52 <dabbott>	exactly
+Jan 17 14:33:54 <quantumsummers>	we can discuss things on the KM so we have it for posterity
+Jan 17 14:34:03 <NeddySeagoon>	quantumsummers, yep
+Jan 17 14:34:28 <NeddySeagoon>	Moving on  Special Member Voting - Ads On The Sidebar
+Jan 17 14:35:02 <quantumsummers>	are we still waiting on jmbsvicetto for the official results?
+Jan 17 14:35:07 <dabbott>	seemed like an election in Florida
+Jan 17 14:36:07 <NeddySeagoon>	The official result was 46 votes in favour vs 6 votes against
+Jan 17 14:36:13 <quantumsummers>	ok, good
+Jan 17 14:37:12 <NeddySeagoon>	from  Gentoo Foundation Referendum 2009-01 - Results 2010.01.12 02:17 by jmbsvicetto AT gentoo.org>
+Jan 17 14:37:31 <quantumsummers>	Once we have the policy in place, we can draft a news item & get the ball rolling, eh?
+Jan 17 14:37:38 <NeddySeagoon>	yep
+Jan 17 14:37:56 <NeddySeagoon>	Agenda item 4 Open Bugs 
+Jan 17 14:38:33 <NeddySeagoon>	#284224 
+Jan 17 14:38:49 <jmbsvicetto>	quantumsummers / NeddySeagoon: http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev-announce/msg_df4b02f3c8b25dd3e4e5aa19a45633be.xml - if you want a link to the official mail
+Jan 17 14:38:58 <robbat2>	Willikins, bug 284224 
+Jan 17 14:39:02 <Willikins>	robbat2: https://bugs.gentoo.org/284224 "Summer of Code changes in reimbursement"; Gentoo Linux, Unspecified; NEW; dberkholz@g.o:trustees@g.o
+Jan 17 14:39:04 <NeddySeagoon>	jmbsvicetto, thanks
+Jan 17 14:39:09 <quantumsummers>	jmbsvicetto: we got it, my bad on poking you. Thanks!!!
+Jan 17 14:39:20 <NeddySeagoon>	thanks robbat2 
+Jan 17 14:39:56 <quantumsummers>	it appears we are waiting for Google at this time on that bug. Carry it over to next meeting
+Jan 17 14:40:55 <NeddySeagoon>	Willikins, bug 288626
+Jan 17 14:40:57 <Willikins>	NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/288626 "[Gentoo 10 Live DVD] Vendor List"; Gentoo Linux, Unspecified; ASSI; dabbott@g.o:trustees@g.o
+Jan 17 14:41:42 <dabbott>	If we need DVD's Jason from stormfront said he would do them 10% over cost
+Jan 17 14:41:47 <NeddySeagoon>	I'm not keen on a printed handbook - it will be out of date as soon as its printed
+Jan 17 14:41:53 <quantumsummers>	I agree
+Jan 17 14:42:27 <NeddySeagoon>	dabbott, sounds good.
+Jan 17 14:43:19 <NeddySeagoon>	We should make a point of doing DVD giveaways for any gatherings where we have a stand - and T-shirts for people manning the stand.  
+Jan 17 14:43:30 <quantumsummers>	I like the sound of that
+Jan 17 14:43:59 <dabbott>	likewhoa should be getting 10.2 done soon ready for testing
+Jan 17 14:44:06 <NeddySeagoon>	Like its auto approved ... without going through the normal application process
+Jan 17 14:44:07 <quantumsummers>	Nice!
+Jan 17 14:44:29 <quantumsummers>	the only thing with the tshirts is cost.
+Jan 17 14:44:41 <NeddySeagoon>	There are only a few things a year like that
+Jan 17 14:44:57 <quantumsummers>	true, but they are ~$25
+Jan 17 14:45:03 <NeddySeagoon>	quantumsummers, its a professional touch on the stand
+Jan 17 14:45:04 <quantumsummers>	which is nuts
+Jan 17 14:45:24 <quantumsummers>	I agree we should have tshirts, however I think we can get a better deal.
+Jan 17 14:45:29 <robbat2>	with past events of Gentoo i've been to. it's all been that one person gets the shirts and we each just paid them back for however many shirts we pre-ordered
+Jan 17 14:45:42 <NeddySeagoon>	quantumsummers, how many people do we have manning stands ?
+Jan 17 14:45:45 <robbat2>	there were 3 generations of shirts i've seen
+Jan 17 14:46:06 <quantumsummers>	NeddySeagoon: I am not sure
+Jan 17 14:46:14 <robbat2>	vapier's golf shirts, german conspiracy's branded mid-length sleeve t-shirts, and then their plain gentoo t's
+Jan 17 14:46:25 <NeddySeagoon>	lets park it for now ...
+Jan 17 14:46:30 <quantumsummers>	I am comfortable going ahead for the short term
+Jan 17 14:46:36 <robbat2>	the german conspiracy had dev names on the back, maybe find out their costs for those?
+Jan 17 14:46:49 <quantumsummers>	though at some point we need to reconsider IMO
+Jan 17 14:47:25 <quantumsummers>	robbat2: sounds good
+Jan 17 14:47:37 <NeddySeagoon>	anyway - we are wandering off the agenda
+Jan 17 14:48:00 <NeddySeagoon>	Willikins, bug 296492
+Jan 17 14:48:02 <Willikins>	NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/296492 ""Agenda" links are wrong"; Website www.gentoo.org, Other; NEW; tove@g.o:trustees@g.o
+Jan 17 14:48:27 <dabbott>	the links are fixed
+Jan 17 14:48:27 <NeddySeagoon>	can we close this bug ?
+Jan 17 14:48:29 <quantumsummers>	I like what robbat2 suggests here
+Jan 17 14:48:38 <NeddySeagoon>	me too
+Jan 17 14:48:49 <robbat2>	i need to do it then
+Jan 17 14:48:59 <quantumsummers>	yes please :)
+Jan 17 14:49:15 <NeddySeagoon>	robbat2, we'll keep this bug open then
+Jan 17 14:49:51 <NeddySeagoon>	Willikins, bug 296766
+Jan 17 14:49:52 <Willikins>	NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/296766 "Corrections to corporation filing needed as of 2009/12/13"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; NEW; robbat2@g.o:trustees@g.o
+Jan 17 14:50:33 <quantumsummers>	tsunam: please let us know what is up with this item. There is no change here http://www.nmprc.state.nm.us/cgi-bin/prcdtl.cgi?2463313+GENTOO+FOUNDATION+INC//
+Jan 17 14:50:40 <NeddySeagoon>	lets hold this over until April, in case there are more changes in directors
+Jan 17 14:50:44 <quantumsummers>	ok
+Jan 17 14:50:55 <quantumsummers>	I thought he submitted the forms already
+Jan 17 14:51:03 <NeddySeagoon>	Although, thats fmccors address ...
+Jan 17 14:51:17 <quantumsummers>	it needs to be changed
+Jan 17 14:52:11 <NeddySeagoon>	yes - but does it need to be done before April ?
+Jan 17 14:52:25 <quantumsummers>	not likely.
+Jan 17 14:52:53 <NeddySeagoon>	Willikins, bug 296878
+Jan 17 14:52:55 <Willikins>	NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/296878 "LWN.net group subscription"; Gentoo Linux, Unspecified; NEW; tove@g.o:trustees@g.o
+Jan 17 14:54:01 <NeddySeagoon>	What is LWN.net and how would funding subscriptions fit into the foundations stated purpose ?
+Jan 17 14:54:32 <quantumsummers>	linux weekly news
+Jan 17 14:54:37 <dabbott>	http://lwn.net/
+Jan 17 14:56:21 <NeddySeagoon>	 how would funding subscriptions fit into the foundations stated purpose ?
+Jan 17 14:57:44 <quantumsummers>	hmm, difficult to say. I do know that sec vulns are published there, but I have not used lwn much
+Jan 17 14:58:05 <NeddySeagoon>	I vote no, as I don't see news like this helping FOSS
+Jan 17 14:58:41 <robbat2>	a no from me as well, per my comment on the bug
+Jan 17 14:59:01 <NeddySeagoon>	dabbott, quantumsummers a vote please
+Jan 17 14:59:03 *	quantumsummers votes no
+Jan 17 14:59:29 <dabbott>	no
+Jan 17 15:00:04 <NeddySeagoon>	bug defeated - the foundation will not fund subscriptions
+Jan 17 15:00:12 <NeddySeagoon>	brb
+Jan 17 15:03:51 <NeddySeagoon>	Agenda Item 5 New Business  - we need to skip this as tsunam isn't here
+Jan 17 15:04:07 <NeddySeagoon>	Item 6 Membership Applications 
+Jan 17 15:04:26 <dabbott>	we can do the Trusrees part
+Jan 17 15:04:28 <NeddySeagoon>	Gentoo Developers ... 
+Jan 17 15:04:40 <dabbott>	*Trustees
+Jan 17 15:04:47 <quantumsummers>	reload the page NeddySeagoon
+Jan 17 15:05:05 <NeddySeagoon>	quantumsummers, thanks
+Jan 17 15:05:11 <NeddySeagoon>	dabbott, thanks
+Jan 17 15:05:32 <dabbott>	yw, just reminders
+Jan 17 15:05:33 *	bonsaikitten (n=quassel@gentoo/developer/bonsaikitten) has joined #gentoo-trustees
+Jan 17 15:05:34 <NeddySeagoon>	Trustees 
+Jan 17 15:06:43 <NeddySeagoon>	We need to set a recording date for the Election - thats the cut off for setting the voters list.   I propose 31 Jan 2010 as thats a Sunday and just before nomination open
+Jan 17 15:07:10 <NeddySeagoon>	everything else on the agenda is as usual
+Jan 17 15:07:27 <quantumsummers>	I second the proposal from NeddySeagoon
+Jan 17 15:07:42 <NeddySeagoon>	+1
+Jan 17 15:07:47 <quantumsummers>	+1
+Jan 17 15:07:47 <dabbott>	+1
+Jan 17 15:07:56 <NeddySeagoon>	robbat2, ?
+Jan 17 15:07:58 <robbat2>	+1
+Jan 17 15:08:42 <NeddySeagoon>	carried.  I'll speak to elections to get something set up and put out an email to canvass new members.
+Jan 17 15:09:32 <NeddySeagoon>	We might need a special meeting on 31 jan - can everyone do that - just to consider new member applications.  We and do it byu email if possible
+Jan 17 15:09:46 <quantumsummers>	I can
+Jan 17 15:09:53 <dabbott>	ok by me
+Jan 17 15:10:10 <robbat2>	+1
+Jan 17 15:10:15 <NeddySeagoon>	ok 19:00 on 31 Jan if needed
+Jan 17 15:10:22 <quantumsummers>	ok.
+Jan 17 15:10:29 <NeddySeagoon>	Gentoo Store Financial Report ... needs tsunam 
+Jan 17 15:10:49 <NeddySeagoon>	Agenda Item 6 Membership Applications
+Jan 17 15:11:48 <NeddySeagoon>	Gentoo Developers
+Jan 17 15:11:56 <NeddySeagoon>	All in favour
+Jan 17 15:11:58 <NeddySeagoon>	+1
+Jan 17 15:11:59 <dabbott>	yes
+Jan 17 15:12:02 <quantumsummers>	aye
+Jan 17 15:12:09 <robbat2>	+1
+Jan 17 15:12:15 <NeddySeagoon>	carried
+Jan 17 15:12:17 <quantumsummers>	added to list going out today
+Jan 17 15:12:29 <NeddySeagoon>	quantumsummers, please add them to the list to be notified
+Jan 17 15:12:41 <quantumsummers>	done
+Jan 17 15:12:54 <NeddySeagoon>	Item 7 Date of Next Meeting  21th Feb 2010 19:00 UTC
+Jan 17 15:13:10 <dabbott>	ok here
+Jan 17 15:13:13 <quantumsummers>	works for me
+Jan 17 15:13:14 <NeddySeagoon>	ok
+Jan 17 15:13:33 <NeddySeagoon>	robbat2, ?
+Jan 17 15:13:42 <quantumsummers>	good to keep it away from the girl holiday
+Jan 17 15:13:49 <robbat2>	+1
+Jan 17 15:13:56 <NeddySeagoon>	girl holiday ?
+Jan 17 15:14:04 <quantumsummers>	Valentine's Day
+Jan 17 15:14:08 <NeddySeagoon>	hehe
+Jan 17 15:14:16 <quantumsummers>	my wife would killl me
+Jan 17 15:14:23 <NeddySeagoon>	Item 7 Any other business ...
+Jan 17 15:14:26 <quantumsummers>	yes that was kill with 3 ls
+Jan 17 15:14:29 <NeddySeagoon>	quantumsummers, ?
+Jan 17 15:14:57 <quantumsummers>	no AOB from me other than iCoalesce: use it lemme know if you have questions/problems
+Jan 17 15:15:03 <NeddySeagoon>	ok
+Jan 17 15:15:07 <NeddySeagoon>	dabbott, ?
+Jan 17 15:15:31 <dabbott>	no, just if quantumsummers could look into the email storage options
+Jan 17 15:15:40 *	quantumsummers will do it
+Jan 17 15:15:43 <NeddySeagoon>	robbat2, 
+Jan 17 15:15:57 <robbat2>	none from me at this time
+Jan 17 15:16:15 <NeddySeagoon>	none from me
+Jan 17 15:16:29 <NeddySeagoon>	Item 9  Open Floor
+Jan 17 15:16:29 <quantumsummers>	we did this meeting in record time :D
+Jan 17 15:16:58 *	quantumsummers will brb
+Jan 17 15:17:56 *	NeddySeagoon declares the meeting closed
diff --git a/2010/20100221_trustees_meeting_log.txt b/2010/20100221_trustees_meeting_log.txt
new file mode 100644
index 0000000..700b8d6
--- /dev/null
+++ b/2010/20100221_trustees_meeting_log.txt
@@ -0,0 +1,388 @@
+Feb 21 14:00:01 *	NeddySeagoon bangs his gavel and calls the meeting to order
+Feb 21 14:00:09 <NeddySeagoon>	Roll call
+Feb 21 14:00:44 <NeddySeagoon>	robbat2, quantumsummers|a tsunam dabbott 
+Feb 21 14:00:52 <quantumsummers|a>	present
+Feb 21 14:01:04 <dabbott>	here, but may get a phone call that I must take
+Feb 21 14:01:11 *	quantumsummers|a wasn't late afterall
+Feb 21 14:01:17 <NeddySeagoon>	dabbott, ok
+Feb 21 14:01:41 <NeddySeagoon>	robbat2, tsunam ?
+Feb 21 14:01:55 <NeddySeagoon>	we will give them a few minutes
+Feb 21 14:02:00 <quantumsummers|a>	ok
+Feb 21 14:02:12 <NeddySeagoon>	who is loggining ?
+Feb 21 14:02:32 <robbat2>	hi
+Feb 21 14:02:34 <NeddySeagoon>	It looks like I am
+Feb 21 14:02:38 <robbat2>	logging as usual too
+Feb 21 14:02:41 <dabbott>	I am also
+Feb 21 14:02:50 <NeddySeagoon>	We have 4, lets start
+Feb 21 14:03:27 <NeddySeagoon>	Agenda Item 3 Old Business ... we will come back to tsunams stuff
+Feb 21 14:03:55 <NeddySeagoon>	quantumsummers SFLC Update and CPA quotes
+Feb 21 14:04:17 <quantumsummers|a>	alright
+Feb 21 14:05:05 <quantumsummers|a>	SFLC, I will contact them on Monday regarding the new fun we have discovered. Further, I have started requesting letters of support from a broad range of people & orgs.
+Feb 21 14:05:28 <quantumsummers|a>	I would like to put up a news item with a request for letters of support as well
+Feb 21 14:06:04 <NeddySeagoon>	Sure ... do we need a vote on that ?
+Feb 21 14:06:05 <quantumsummers|a>	I still have work to do on the budget, & would like some input from all of you. Esp. regarding infra needs
+Feb 21 14:06:21 <robbat2>	+1 on putting up an actual request
+Feb 21 14:06:21 <quantumsummers|a>	sure, can't hurt
+Feb 21 14:06:45 <quantumsummers|a>	Motion: News item requesting letters of support for our 501c3 app
+Feb 21 14:06:51 <robbat2>	aye
+Feb 21 14:06:54 <NeddySeagoon>	aye
+Feb 21 14:07:00 <dabbott>	yes
+Feb 21 14:07:05 <quantumsummers|a>	aye
+Feb 21 14:07:06 <quantumsummers|a>	thanks
+Feb 21 14:07:18 <NeddySeagoon>	quantumsummers|a, do letters of support carry any weight with the IRS ?
+Feb 21 14:07:24 <quantumsummers|a>	I will write it up tomorrow & email a draft to the alias for review
+Feb 21 14:07:51 <NeddySeagoon>	ok
+Feb 21 14:07:54 <quantumsummers|a>	NeddySeagoon: yes. I am seeking a broad range, from individuals, businesses and non-profilts like universities
+Feb 21 14:08:11 <NeddySeagoon>	OK.  Understood
+Feb 21 14:08:13 <quantumsummers|a>	so we have MIT on board, and D'Youvelle College
+Feb 21 14:08:32 <quantumsummers|a>	there are some others that I have spoken with as well from the business sector
+Feb 21 14:08:40 <quantumsummers|a>	I plan on asking some of our sponsors as well
+Feb 21 14:08:42 <NeddySeagoon>	Sounds like a good thing to do then
+Feb 21 14:08:44 <quantumsummers|a>	Asking OSL too
+Feb 21 14:08:45 <robbat2>	i've got an status report related to that later, where that news item I foresee as helping a lot
+Feb 21 14:09:16 <quantumsummers|a>	excellent
+Feb 21 14:10:01 <quantumsummers|a>	re: CPA, I have spoken with both parties, and been told that since it is tax time now, we have a bit longer to wait as everyone is quite busy.
+Feb 21 14:10:36 <quantumsummers|a>	However, I will keep up with both parties on a weekly basis to ascertain progress 
+Feb 21 14:10:59 <NeddySeagoon>	OK.  Does that mean its our tax time now too or are we too small
+Feb 21 14:11:00 <quantumsummers|a>	There is no real rush for us, so I think this is acceptable
+Feb 21 14:11:18 <quantumsummers|a>	we did not make enough $$ last year to worry about this
+Feb 21 14:11:33 <NeddySeagoon>	We need to fix that then
+Feb 21 14:11:35 <quantumsummers|a>	Regardless, we can file an extension.
+Feb 21 14:11:42 <quantumsummers|a>	If we need to
+Feb 21 14:11:56 <NeddySeagoon>	making the $$$ I mean :)
+Feb 21 14:12:02 <NeddySeagoon>	any more quantumsummers|a ?
+Feb 21 14:12:09 <quantumsummers|a>	we have 60 days to figure this out. I will take this up in conversation next week
+Feb 21 14:12:16 <NeddySeagoon>	ok
+Feb 21 14:12:27 <NeddySeagoon>	robbat2, rotating sidebar
+Feb 21 14:12:30 <quantumsummers|a>	no, nothing more, save to say I agree that we need to raise more moiney
+Feb 21 14:13:24 <robbat2>	i've got a local test copy that i've been populating/testing, but the largest surprise to me
+Feb 21 14:13:34 <robbat2>	has been that our other sponsors that aren't on the sidebar
+Feb 21 14:13:39 <robbat2>	that i've approached to get added
+Feb 21 14:13:56 <robbat2>	the overwhelming reaction has been one of indifference or no response at all
+Feb 21 14:14:21 <NeddySeagoon>	Hmm. I guess they think there is no advantage in being there
+Feb 21 14:14:56 <robbat2>	of 7 I approached, only 2 want in
+Feb 21 14:15:16 <quantumsummers|a>	in that case I think we just need to give notice of what we are doing & put them all in there.
+Feb 21 14:15:18 <robbat2>	and one of those two, while i've asked for a logo image repeatedly, there's been nothing
+Feb 21 14:15:22 <NeddySeagoon>	Times are hard, advertising budgets are being cut
+Feb 21 14:15:41 <NeddySeagoon>	quantumsummers|a, agreed
+Feb 21 14:15:44 <robbat2>	advertising budgets being cut should mean they are more willing to get exposure, not less
+Feb 21 14:16:05 <NeddySeagoon>	robbat2, you would think so
+Feb 21 14:16:06 <quantumsummers|a>	robbat2: can you provide a list of who you contactes?
+Feb 21 14:16:10 <quantumsummers|a>	*contacted
+Feb 21 14:16:18 <robbat2>	yup, I can assemble a list and send to the alias
+Feb 21 14:16:32 <quantumsummers|a>	thanks]
+Feb 21 14:16:37 <NeddySeagoon>	robbat2, when will the rotating sidebar be ready to go live ?
+Feb 21 14:16:46 <quantumsummers|a>	I will put that into the donor management thing
+Feb 21 14:17:12 <robbat2>	unless RL issues catch me, i'm hoping for within the next 3 weeks
+Feb 21 14:17:19 <robbat2>	but i've got a number of other Gentoo things going on too
+Feb 21 14:17:32 <NeddySeagoon>	robbat2, before our next meeting then ?
+Feb 21 14:17:33 <robbat2>	hardware, bugzilla3, new mirror tool etc :-)
+Feb 21 14:17:49 <quantumsummers|a>	robbat2: I am happy to assist, I do make a business of this exact sort of deployment
+Feb 21 14:17:50 <dabbott>	g-cpan :)
+Feb 21 14:18:10 <robbat2>	mysql 5.1 is out the way now, so that's one thing done
+Feb 21 14:18:17 <quantumsummers|a>	nice work on that
+Feb 21 14:18:56 <robbat2>	anyway, in how that ties into quantumsummers's request for support letters
+Feb 21 14:19:04 <NeddySeagoon>	lets leave the target as the date of our March meeting - we will discuss it then anyway
+Feb 21 14:19:13 <robbat2>	is that i've approached a few other orgs I've interacted with, and there is also indifference there
+Feb 21 14:19:27 <dabbott>	robbat2, that is strange
+Feb 21 14:19:30 <robbat2>	so I want to make the request more formal
+Feb 21 14:19:55 <NeddySeagoon>	robbat2, sounds good
+Feb 21 14:20:06 <quantumsummers|a>	Ok. great. I am willing to contact these people personally
+Feb 21 14:20:18 <robbat2>	that's all from me
+Feb 21 14:20:20 <quantumsummers|a>	via phone perhaps once we have the news item up
+Feb 21 14:20:29 <NeddySeagoon>	ok
+Feb 21 14:20:51 <NeddySeagoon>	dabbott Conference Funding Form
+Feb 21 14:21:30 <dabbott>	please review , just a form to add to the bug report
+Feb 21 14:21:50 <quantumsummers|a>	looks good to me
+Feb 21 14:21:59 <robbat2>	can we fix the spelling of dev names ;-)?
+Feb 21 14:22:16 <robbat2>	and have that one as the example, with an actual blank one for devs to fill
+Feb 21 14:22:20 <quantumsummers|a>	lol, dabbott, you often call robbat2 rabbat
+Feb 21 14:22:56 <dabbott>	ok will fix
+Feb 21 14:23:02 <NeddySeagoon>	heh. I've nothing to add to the above. 
+Feb 21 14:23:08 <quantumsummers|a>	Would it be appropriate to request that the participants write something up after the event for us to post?
+Feb 21 14:23:27 <quantumsummers|a>	perhaps the actual requester should be charged with the responsibility
+Feb 21 14:23:34 <NeddySeagoon>	quantumsummers|a, good idea - a news item for the front page
+Feb 21 14:23:37 <quantumsummers|a>	this may assist in PR efforts
+Feb 21 14:23:37 <robbat2>	i like the sound of that
+Feb 21 14:24:01 <quantumsummers|a>	request or require>?
+Feb 21 14:24:21 <quantumsummers|a>	we could make it a condition of the funding
+Feb 21 14:24:35 <quantumsummers|a>	nothing terribly burdensome, of course
+Feb 21 14:24:43 <NeddySeagoon>	strongly request - we would not stop funding events because of lcak of a news item and there is no way to enforce it
+Feb 21 14:25:09 <quantumsummers|a>	could apply a slacker mark possibly
+Feb 21 14:25:15 <NeddySeagoon>	quantumsummers|a, isn't that cutting off our nose to spite our face ?
+Feb 21 14:25:26 <quantumsummers|a>	probably
+Feb 21 14:25:40 <dabbott>	ok I will add is as a request and send the updated form example and blank form to trustees@ for review
+Feb 21 14:25:47 <quantumsummers|a>	just thinking it through, I am not advocating for a requirement
+Feb 21 14:25:53 <NeddySeagoon>	dabbott, fix the form and post in in foundation webspace 
+Feb 21 14:26:02 <dabbott>	ok
+Feb 21 14:26:05 <NeddySeagoon>	dabbott, we trust you
+Feb 21 14:26:08 <quantumsummers|a>	thanks dabbott
+Feb 21 14:26:59 <NeddySeagoon>	neddyseagoon Donation and Vendor Advertising Policy and Guidelines
+Feb 21 14:27:13 <NeddySeagoon>	I've added robbat2 comments today
+Feb 21 14:27:29 <quantumsummers|a>	the char limit is currently 50, not 32
+Feb 21 14:27:38 <quantumsummers|a>	though that is trivial to change
+Feb 21 14:27:53 <NeddySeagoon>	I'll update the doc
+Feb 21 14:28:29 <quantumsummers|a>	ok, 50 seems more reasonable. They can submit longer but it will be truncated at 50 with a ... following
+Feb 21 14:29:20 <NeddySeagoon>	30->50 done
+Feb 21 14:29:31 <quantumsummers|a>	the algorithm used in determining what is shown is a simple weighted random subset method
+Feb 21 14:29:50 <NeddySeagoon>	quantumsummers|a, sould I add that in ?
+Feb 21 14:29:51 <quantumsummers|a>	err, simple ramdon weighted subset, more properly
+Feb 21 14:29:56 <quantumsummers|a>	*randome
+Feb 21 14:29:59 <quantumsummers|a>	wow
+Feb 21 14:30:18 <quantumsummers|a>	NeddySeagoon: doesn't matter to me, if you wish to do so, then by all means
+Feb 21 14:31:00 <quantumsummers|a>	the code is publicly available as well on git.overlays.g.o
+Feb 21 14:31:09 <quantumsummers|a>	proj/gentoo-ads.git
+Feb 21 14:32:20 <quantumsummers|a>	its also likely that somebody, perhaps me, should style the output a little better
+Feb 21 14:32:22 <NeddySeagoon>	updated
+Feb 21 14:32:43 <NeddySeagoon>	Do we need a vote on the policy adoption ?
+Feb 21 14:33:10 <NeddySeagoon>	Motion to adopt http://dev.gentoo.org/~neddyseagoon/CashSponsorsPolicy_Draft.xml as our policy for large users
+Feb 21 14:33:26 <quantumsummers|a>	I think we should consider this a first draft. I would really like to run this by the sflc before we set it in stone
+Feb 21 14:33:28 <NeddySeagoon>	wishing to place ads on gentoo.org
+Feb 21 14:33:44 <quantumsummers|a>	perhaps a disclainer that we may change this policy
+Feb 21 14:33:54 <quantumsummers|a>	or refine it over time
+Feb 21 14:33:55 <NeddySeagoon>	Motion denied
+Feb 21 14:34:01 <quantumsummers|a>	sorry NeddySeagoon
+Feb 21 14:34:27 <quantumsummers|a>	Given what other OSS nfps have, I think we need to take more time
+Feb 21 14:34:28 <NeddySeagoon>	quantumsummers|a, good idea ... I'll add that.
+Feb 21 14:35:56 <NeddySeagoon>	Agenda item 4 Open Bugs
+Feb 21 14:36:02 <quantumsummers|a>	I was looking at PSF (python) I think, they had a nice disclaimer explicitly stating that one could not buy a link, but had to demonstrate use to be considered a supporter. We have something close to that now, but just a thought as explicit is better than implicit
+Feb 21 14:36:16 <quantumsummers|a>	yes, please cont.
+Feb 21 14:36:52 <NeddySeagoon>	!bug 284224
+Feb 21 14:36:56 <willikins>	NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/284224 "Summer of Code changes in reimbursement"; Gentoo Linux, Unspecified; NEW; dberkholz@g.o:trustees@g.o
+Feb 21 14:36:56 <quantumsummers|a>	I am going to call Josh.
+Feb 21 14:37:06 <NeddySeagoon>	quantumsummers|a, good plan
+Feb 21 14:37:36 <robbat2>	esp since this is the second meeting he's missed in a row
+Feb 21 14:37:50 <quantumsummers|a>	he's jumping on now
+Feb 21 14:37:55 <tsunam>	that I would be ~_~
+Feb 21 14:38:04 <quantumsummers|a>	:D
+Feb 21 14:38:15 <tsunam>	for some reason thought it was next week =/
+Feb 21 14:38:19 <NeddySeagoon>	Denis Healey eyebrows ...
+Feb 21 14:38:25 <quantumsummers|a>	lets give josh a few mins to read back ok?
+Feb 21 14:38:55 <NeddySeagoon>	I was here last week, than I read /topic
+Feb 21 14:39:02 *	quantumsummers|a has to attend to a roasting ham for a sec anyhow :)
+Feb 21 14:40:27 <NeddySeagoon>	tsunam, we can do the stuff you missed now or slot it in after bugs.  Either way, it looks like its your turn
+Feb 21 14:42:04 <tsunam>	caught up
+Feb 21 14:42:20 <tsunam>	we've received the first check from Google for the Summer of Code changes
+Feb 21 14:42:41 <tsunam>	second is still pending but hopefully before the middle of next month we should have those funds as well
+Feb 21 14:43:11 <NeddySeagoon>	tsunam, thats progress.  We will stick with bugs
+Feb 21 14:43:25 <tsunam>	k
+Feb 21 14:43:26 <robbat2>	was the first cheque the backdated money or the 2009 money?
+Feb 21 14:43:38 <tsunam>	2009
+Feb 21 14:43:43 <robbat2>	thanks
+Feb 21 14:43:48 <NeddySeagoon>	!bug 296492
+Feb 21 14:43:50 <willikins>	NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/296492 ""Agenda" links are wrong"; Website www.gentoo.org, Other; NEW; tove@g.o:trustees@g.o
+Feb 21 14:44:15 <dabbott>	that should be fixed afaik
+Feb 21 14:45:01 <NeddySeagoon>	can someone close the bug - my normal browser is broken and I can't remember my bugsie passwd
+Feb 21 14:45:02 <robbat2>	we already said last month to fix it, i just haven't changed all of them yet
+Feb 21 14:45:17 <NeddySeagoon>	ok, leave the bug open then
+Feb 21 14:45:24 <robbat2>	we should run a link checker over the foundation space maybe
+Feb 21 14:45:46 <NeddySeagoon>	that sounds like a good ideA
+Feb 21 14:46:02 <NeddySeagoon>	!bug 296766
+Feb 21 14:46:03 <willikins>	NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/296766 "Corrections to corporation filing needed as of 2009/12/13"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; NEW; robbat2@g.o:trustees@g.o
+Feb 21 14:46:32 <robbat2>	last month we said to postpone that till after the election
+Feb 21 14:46:45 <NeddySeagoon>	if the paperwork is not in the post, it may as well wait until the election is over
+Feb 21 14:46:50 <tsunam>	as we'd have to file again with the changes if they should change
+Feb 21 14:47:43 <NeddySeagoon>	yes
+Feb 21 14:48:03 <NeddySeagoon>	!bug 302508
+Feb 21 14:48:05 <willikins>	NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/302508 "Funding Request for SCALE LiveDVD's"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; NEW; solar@g.o:trustees@g.o
+Feb 21 14:48:45 <robbat2>	too late for that one now, but long term we have the new conf funding doc
+Feb 21 14:48:53 <robbat2>	to hopefully approve them faster
+Feb 21 14:49:11 <quantumsummers|a>	yes, we can close this bug, perhaps link to the new request form
+Feb 21 14:49:19 <NeddySeagoon>	yep
+Feb 21 14:49:37 <NeddySeagoon>	!bug 304853
+Feb 21 14:49:39 <willikins>	NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/304853 "Not possible to purchase Larry the cow clothing"; User Relations, User/Developer Issues; NEW; mihel@hotbox.ru:trustees@g.o
+Feb 21 14:50:06 <quantumsummers|a>	lets see if anyone has larry graphics
+Feb 21 14:50:18 <quantumsummers|a>	I do not know of any print quality versions
+Feb 21 14:50:34 <NeddySeagoon>	ok - there are some on the site but I think they are small
+Feb 21 14:50:53 <robbat2>	i saw a larger bitmap version on some media somewhere years ago, but I cannot recall where
+Feb 21 14:51:07 <robbat2>	might have been a bootsplash or desktop bg in the media
+Feb 21 14:51:08 <NeddySeagoon>	Do we want a competition or a news itesm asking for a graphic for a T-shirt ?
+Feb 21 14:51:34 <quantumsummers|a>	sounds like a fine idea
+Feb 21 14:52:22 <NeddySeagoon>	Both then - a news item annoucing the comptition
+Feb 21 14:53:12 <dabbott>	I can do it it sort of ties into PR anyway
+Feb 21 14:53:17 <NeddySeagoon>	We have the 10th anaversary stuff to draw on. 
+Feb 21 14:53:21 <NeddySeagoon>	dabbott, thanks
+Feb 21 14:53:42 <dabbott>	beandog has a new larry graphic I saw on his new site
+Feb 21 14:54:24 <tsunam>	http://znurt.org/ <--talking about the one there?
+Feb 21 14:54:25 <NeddySeagoon>	the competition will raise awareness, so its good from that point of view
+Feb 21 14:54:46 <dabbott>	yea thats it
+Feb 21 14:55:20 <robbat2>	znurt is the saucer
+Feb 21 14:55:25 <NeddySeagoon>	do we what full cow or just a headshot
+Feb 21 14:55:32 <tsunam>	yes but znurt is beaming up larry :-P
+Feb 21 14:55:43 <tsunam>	I tend to like full cow larry
+Feb 21 14:55:57 <dabbott>	with or without utter
+Feb 21 14:56:15 <quantumsummers|a>	*udder ;)
+Feb 21 14:56:18 <NeddySeagoon>	leave it to the competition entries to decide
+Feb 21 14:56:38 <NeddySeagoon>	!bug 305639
+Feb 21 14:56:40 <willikins>	NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/305639 "Reimbursement from infra budget: halcy0n for bender PSUs"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; NEW; robbat2@g.o:trustees@g.o
+Feb 21 14:56:59 <robbat2>	solar was wondering if dev boxes should be covered in the infra budget or not
+Feb 21 14:57:05 <tsunam>	I need to send off a check still as halcyon specifically asked for a check
+Feb 21 14:57:09 <robbat2>	or kept as seperate
+Feb 21 14:57:25 <quantumsummers|a>	I see no issue with paying for this
+Feb 21 14:57:40 <quantumsummers|a>	though keeping it out of the official infra budget is fine by me
+Feb 21 14:57:41 <NeddySeagoon>	Anything we need to maintain should be in the infra budget
+Feb 21 14:57:41 <robbat2>	yeah, merely which virtual bucket the money counts as from
+Feb 21 14:57:49 <tsunam>	robbat2: infrastructure maintains all the hardware even the dev boxes so from my perspective it should go under their budget
+Feb 21 14:58:02 <robbat2>	not all the dev boxes
+Feb 21 14:58:13 <robbat2>	some of *.dev.g.o are directly housed/owned by devs
+Feb 21 14:58:21 <NeddySeagoon>	that may mean the infra budget needs to be reviewed
+Feb 21 14:59:03 <robbat2>	bender just happens to be at OSL
+Feb 21 14:59:26 <robbat2>	of which, I need to get the photos of our gear at OSL up on a webpage
+Feb 21 14:59:38 *	armin76 wants pics
+Feb 21 14:59:44 <robbat2>	as i put labels on the items that are actually owned by the foundation
+Feb 21 15:00:08 <robbat2>	when I was there a few months ago
+Feb 21 15:00:24 <armin76>	robbat2: sent me teh pics!
+Feb 21 15:00:27 <NeddySeagoon>	Any equipment we own or maintain needs to be under the infra budget.  Thats everything, routers UPS ...
+Feb 21 15:00:29 <armin76>	send*
+Feb 21 15:00:33 <tsunam>	which is very little actually for what we own
+Feb 21 15:01:50 <NeddySeagoon>	I suppose it includes hardware donated to Gentoo too
+Feb 21 15:02:17 <robbat2>	maybe rename it to be the Gentoo hardware maintenance budget
+Feb 21 15:02:23 <robbat2>	rather than explicitly infra
+Feb 21 15:02:32 <NeddySeagoon>	Sounds like a good idea
+Feb 21 15:02:40 <robbat2>	does it leave us too open?
+Feb 21 15:02:46 <robbat2>	that'd be my only concern
+Feb 21 15:02:56 <robbat2>	but given the low level of requests, i don't think it's too much of a problem
+Feb 21 15:03:26 <NeddySeagoon>	We can use that as a working title and add a definition when the budge is set, after the election
+Feb 21 15:03:59 <NeddySeagoon>	!bug 288626
+Feb 21 15:04:01 <willikins>	NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/288626 "[Gentoo 10 Live DVD] Vendor List"; Gentoo Linux, Unspecified; ASSI; dabbott@g.o:trustees@g.o
+Feb 21 15:04:16 <robbat2>	*when the full foundation budget is set, up from the $1k/year that we set in May
+Feb 21 15:04:27 <dabbott>	just information gathering 
+Feb 21 15:04:36 <NeddySeagoon>	robbat2, yes I sit corrected
+Feb 21 15:05:01 <NeddySeagoon>	dabbott, I'm against a printed handbook - it will change too quickly
+Feb 21 15:05:25 <dabbott>	yes I agree
+Feb 21 15:06:30 <NeddySeagoon>	tsunam, Your share of agenda item 3 Updating Registration in NM, which I think we covered and OSUOSL Donation
+Feb 21 15:06:48 <quantumsummers|a>	that OSL donation did go out?
+Feb 21 15:07:04 <tsunam>	I sent it out last week. hasn't cleared yet 
+Feb 21 15:07:16 <quantumsummers|a>	ok, thanks
+Feb 21 15:07:21 <robbat2>	NeddySeagoon, what sort order were you using on bugs? we still need to touch bug #305341 (the locked one)
+Feb 21 15:07:59 <NeddySeagoon>	robbat2, I went down all the bugs in the agenda item link
+Feb 21 15:08:17 <robbat2>	the link just took your local bugzilla sort order
+Feb 21 15:08:30 <NeddySeagoon>	 #305341 was not on the list :(
+Feb 21 15:08:34 <robbat2>	were you logged in?
+Feb 21 15:08:40 <NeddySeagoon>	robbat2, no
+Feb 21 15:08:40 <quantumsummers|a>	its on mine :)
+Feb 21 15:08:48 <dabbott>	thats it
+Feb 21 15:09:12 <NeddySeagoon>	robbat2, I've forgotten my bugie password
+Feb 21 15:09:24 <robbat2>	NeddySeagoon, use the reset link on the login page
+Feb 21 15:09:30 <quantumsummers|a>	Motion: Vote to approve proposed infra aquisitions.
+Feb 21 15:09:42 <robbat2>	*phase 1 of aqusitions
+Feb 21 15:09:48 <robbat2>	*aquisitions
+Feb 21 15:09:48 <dabbott>	yes
+Feb 21 15:09:51 <robbat2>	aye
+Feb 21 15:09:56 <tsunam>	aye
+Feb 21 15:09:58 <quantumsummers|a>	Taco sent the email with the info
+Feb 21 15:10:00 <quantumsummers|a>	aye
+Feb 21 15:10:42 <quantumsummers|a>	$3435.02 USD 
+Feb 21 15:10:46 <robbat2>	NeddySeagoon, the updated bug has the due diligence in pricing you requested btw
+Feb 21 15:12:02 <quantumsummers|a>	that is actually $3485.02 USD 
+Feb 21 15:12:20 <robbat2>	addition error?
+Feb 21 15:12:43 <quantumsummers|a>	the one I was looking at omitted the "Installation Costs"
+Feb 21 15:13:03 <NeddySeagoon>	Bugsie doesn't like me The token you submitted does not exist, has expired, or has been cancelled
+Feb 21 15:13:19 <robbat2>	NeddySeagoon, hmm, i'll help you fix after the meeting
+Feb 21 15:13:41 <quantumsummers|a>	teh request looks good & I think its now approved by majority
+Feb 21 15:13:49 <NeddySeagoon>	ok, thanks robbat2 
+Feb 21 15:13:56 <quantumsummers|a>	I shall update the bug. 
+Feb 21 15:14:06 <quantumsummers|a>	tsunam: how soon can we place the orders?
+Feb 21 15:14:36 <NeddySeagoon>	Is this for the Atoms or everything ?
+Feb 21 15:14:40 <tsunam>	hopefully next week
+Feb 21 15:14:40 <robbat2>	atoms
+Feb 21 15:14:58 <tsunam>	need to see how I'll need to order though
+Feb 21 15:14:59 <quantumsummers|a>	tsunam: do we have a card yet?
+Feb 21 15:15:02 <tsunam>	quantumsummers|a: nope
+Feb 21 15:15:14 <robbat2>	expecting the card in the next week?
+Feb 21 15:15:26 <tsunam>	expecting to hear back if we get approved or not yes
+Feb 21 15:15:29 <dabbott>	for the record Motion: Vote to approve proposed infra aquisitionsphase 1 passed.
+Feb 21 15:15:38 <quantumsummers|a>	dabbott: thanks
+Feb 21 15:15:51 <quantumsummers|a>	tsunam: I can expedite things I bet
+Feb 21 15:16:06 <tsunam>	quantumsummers|a: hmm?
+Feb 21 15:16:25 <quantumsummers|a>	as long as you reimburse me in short order. I can order the items myself
+Feb 21 15:16:43 <tsunam>	quantumsummers|a: I could do the same as well
+Feb 21 15:16:52 <tsunam>	which is how I've managed things so far
+Feb 21 15:17:04 <quantumsummers|a>	I see, its up to you.
+Feb 21 15:17:10 <tsunam>	thank you though
+Feb 21 15:17:17 <quantumsummers|a>	my pleasure
+Feb 21 15:17:24 <robbat2>	ok, I think that's all the bugs. that leaves New Business / {dabbott, Trustees} and items 6-10
+Feb 21 15:17:38 <NeddySeagoon>	I guess its easier for tsunam, as hes treasuerer
+Feb 21 15:18:21 <NeddySeagoon>	Agenda Item 6 New Business
+Feb 21 15:18:34 <NeddySeagoon>	Agenda Item 5 New Business
+Feb 21 15:18:48 <NeddySeagoon>	GSoC Back Pay Update tsunam 
+Feb 21 15:19:15 <tsunam>	first check for 2009 received, second for previous years still pending
+Feb 21 15:19:37 <tsunam>	from donnie the second check was not net+30 but net+60 days
+Feb 21 15:19:45 <NeddySeagoon>	dabbott, Foundation motions page
+Feb 21 15:20:11 <NeddySeagoon>	looks good to me
+Feb 21 15:20:25 <dabbott>	page suggested by robbat2 to keep motions organized 
+Feb 21 15:20:26 <robbat2>	I verified all of 2009 (and added some missing items)
+Feb 21 15:20:34 <robbat2>	that leaves just 2008 and 2010 to finish
+Feb 21 15:21:00 <dabbott>	I will add to 2010 as we go on
+Feb 21 15:21:08 <NeddySeagoon>	I'll have a look at 2008
+Feb 21 15:21:20 <dabbott>	1 motion to add from todays meeting
+Feb 21 15:21:25 <quantumsummers|a>	2
+Feb 21 15:21:37 <dabbott>	ahh 2
+Feb 21 15:21:47 <quantumsummers|a>	letters & funding
+Feb 21 15:21:58 <dabbott>	ok thanks
+Feb 21 15:22:08 <quantumsummers|a>	well three, donation policy, but that was denied
+Feb 21 15:22:30 <NeddySeagoon>	May as well record that
+Feb 21 15:23:13 <NeddySeagoon>	Trustees stuff.  Nothing to discuss until we get to the last bullet   Trademark Violation ? Tardix
+Feb 21 15:23:33 <quantumsummers|a>	my proposal was in the email response
+Feb 21 15:24:06 <dabbott>	How is the store doing?
+Feb 21 15:24:48 <NeddySeagoon>	quantumsummers|a, In addition to your proposal, I think we write to the owner and the hosting company and ask for a takedown.  We should also write to sponsors as they may want to take their own action
+Feb 21 15:26:03 <NeddySeagoon>	quantumsummers|a, your email was not public - you may want to reproduce the core of it here for the log
+Feb 21 15:26:11 <quantumsummers|a>	In that case, I say we give them 5 days to comply before we file charges.
+Feb 21 15:26:26 <quantumsummers|a>	NeddySeagoon: it is not public. Though all the board members can read it
+Feb 21 15:26:43 <quantumsummers|a>	unless you want me to make it public
+Feb 21 15:26:50 <quantumsummers|a>	which I am fine with 
+Feb 21 15:27:16 <robbat2>	be sure to trim the text that you quoted if you do
+Feb 21 15:27:16 <NeddySeagoon>	quantumsummers|a, well, I think we will have a motion here - that needs to be copen
+Feb 21 15:27:19 <NeddySeagoon>	open*
+Feb 21 15:27:28 <quantumsummers|a>	ok.
+Feb 21 15:27:45 <NeddySeagoon>	Thats why I suggested you put the gist of it here
+Feb 21 15:27:46 <robbat2>	(or get the author's permission to reproduce that text as well)
+Feb 21 15:29:00 <quantumsummers|a>	Based on observation of www.tardix.org it infringes Gentoo trademark and copyright. It violates our CC license. It is criminal defamation (malicious slander and/or libel).
+Feb 21 15:29:40 <quantumsummers|a>	I propose to the board of trustees in today's meeting that we immediately contact our legal representative and initiate proceedings against the apparent owner(s) of this site.
+Feb 21 15:29:47 <robbat2>	defamation due to their use of text replacements: s/gentoo/Tardix/gi, s/developer/Whore/gi, s/performance/stickers/ etc.
+Feb 21 15:29:49 <NeddySeagoon>	I would like to go with a takedown notice while we take legal advice
+Feb 21 15:29:56 <quantumsummers|a>	My reasons for such action coalesce around the idea that if some entity were to do such a thing to my business I would file charges in a court of law immediately due to the obvious malicious intent.
+Feb 21 15:30:27 <quantumsummers|a>	NeddySeagoon: I agree with you. lets send a letter to the operator & rackspace
+Feb 21 15:30:52 <quantumsummers|a>	while on Monday I will contact our legal rep regarding next steps
+Feb 21 15:30:55 <robbat2>	a well-written DMCA request, or a C&D letter?
+Feb 21 15:31:13 <NeddySeagoon>	Motion ... Send takedown notic and seek legal advice over Tardix.org
+Feb 21 15:31:21 *	tsunam mentions that robbat2 is no doubt very familar with both
+Feb 21 15:31:34 <quantumsummers|a>	Well, that's the thing, I want to talk to our lawyers before we do anything
+Feb 21 15:31:45 <robbat2>	can we please clarify by takedown request do we mean a DMCA request or a C&D?
+Feb 21 15:31:49 <robbat2>	or a friendly letter first
+Feb 21 15:31:53 <quantumsummers|a>	we should wait until we are advised
+Feb 21 15:32:22 <NeddySeagoon>	I mean C&D ...  the DMCA does not apply to me so I am not familiar with it
+Feb 21 15:32:30 <robbat2>	ok, so ask counsel tommorow, and then we send one of those
+Feb 21 15:32:42 <quantumsummers|a>	ok, sounds good
+Feb 21 15:32:50 <quantumsummers|a>	I will report back immediately
+Feb 21 15:32:56 <NeddySeagoon>	quantumsummers|a, thanks
+Feb 21 15:33:02 <dabbott>	ty quantumsummers|a 
+Feb 21 15:33:03 <NeddySeagoon>	Do we need a vote ?
+Feb 21 15:33:04 <quantumsummers|a>	my pleasure
+Feb 21 15:33:11 <quantumsummers|a>	lets do it via email
+Feb 21 15:33:15 <quantumsummers|a>	vote that is
+Feb 21 15:33:18 <NeddySeagoon>	ok
+Feb 21 15:33:20 <quantumsummers|a>	sound ok?
+Feb 21 15:33:22 <robbat2>	NeddySeagoon, DMCA requests are considerably easier to produce, and have less legal backlash in MOST cases
+Feb 21 15:33:44 <robbat2>	provided you follow their terms correctly. if you screw up a DMCA, the backlash is worse
+Feb 21 15:33:45 <NeddySeagoon>	robbat2, thanks for the clarifiaction
+Feb 21 15:34:14 <NeddySeagoon>	Agenda item 6 Membership Applications - none to vote on 
+Feb 21 15:34:32 <NeddySeagoon>	Agenda Item 7  Date of Next Meeting - 21th Mar 2010 19:00 UTC
+Feb 21 15:34:49 <NeddySeagoon>	That works for me
+Feb 21 15:34:55 <dabbott>	OK here
+Feb 21 15:34:56 *	quantumsummers|a appologizes, but has to go. In brief, the date for the next meeting is fine by me. Mr. Chandras has been added to the rolls, as you can see here: http://www.gentoo.org/foundation/en/20100213_members_list.xml
+Feb 21 15:35:09 <NeddySeagoon>	yep
+Feb 21 15:35:17 <tsunam>	works for me as well
+Feb 21 15:35:25 <tsunam>	I'll make sure to add a reminder this time
+Feb 21 15:35:27 <quantumsummers|a>	I will be available in about 3.5 hours if someone needs me
+Feb 21 15:35:32 <robbat2>	i think that covers everything
+Feb 21 15:35:35 <robbat2>	for today
+Feb 21 15:35:48 <NeddySeagoon>	Any other business ...
+Feb 21 15:35:54 <NeddySeagoon>	None from me
+Feb 21 15:36:01 <robbat2>	none here
+Feb 21 15:36:03 <dabbott>	nope
+Feb 21 15:36:09 <NeddySeagoon>	tsunam, 
+Feb 21 15:36:12 <NeddySeagoon>	^^
+Feb 21 15:36:30 <NeddySeagoon>	Item 10 Open Floor
+Feb 21 15:37:38 *	robbat2 listens to the crickets chirp
+Feb 21 15:37:53 *	NeddySeagoon declares the meeting closed
diff --git a/2010/20100321_trustees_meeting_log.txt b/2010/20100321_trustees_meeting_log.txt
new file mode 100644
index 0000000..62eacd7
--- /dev/null
+++ b/2010/20100321_trustees_meeting_log.txt
@@ -0,0 +1,418 @@
+19:00  * NeddySeagoon bangs his gavel and calls the meeting to order ... roll call
+19:00 < tsunam> here
+19:00 <@dabbott> here
+19:00 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, robbat2|na ?
+19:01 <@NeddySeagoon> We have a quorum  anyway - they can catch up
+19:01 < shanecoughlan> Shane Coughlan from OIN, here as a visitor
+19:01 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda item 2 Who is logging the meeting ?
+19:01 <@NeddySeagoon> shanecoughlan, welcome
+19:01 <@robbat2|na> hi
+19:01 < tsunam> welcome shanecoughlan 
+19:01 -!- robbat2|na is now known as robbat2
+19:02 < tsunam> I'm logging if needed
+19:02 <@dabbott> hi shanecoughlan 
+19:02 <@NeddySeagoon> I think I am too
+19:02 <@dabbott> me also
+19:02  * quantumsummers is here
+19:02 -!- mode/#gentoo-trustees [+o tsunam] by robbat2
+19:02 <@NeddySeagoon> Item 3 Old Business.
+19:03  * dabbott reminds everyone to refresh the agenda page
+19:03 <@NeddySeagoon> Election Results - For the record, there was three candidates for 3 vacancies ... they were elected unopposed
+19:04 <@NeddySeagoon> As there was no vote, the cull of inactive members needs to be deferred until 2011.  Is everyone OK with that ?
+19:04 <@dabbott> yes
+19:05 <@robbat2> no objections from me
+19:05 <@NeddySeagoon> or are there other ideas
+19:05 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: in general, I think that is fine, although there are quite a few "members" that we can call MIA
+19:05 <@tsunam> NeddySeagoon: might want to mention the 3 elected for the record 
+19:05 <@tsunam> I'm fine with deferring it until 2011
+19:06 <@NeddySeagoon> The three trustees elected for 2010 to 2012 are NeddySeagoon, tsunam and dabbott - all the trustees that retired by rotation
+19:06 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, Updating Registration in NM (postponed until trustee results) ... any progress.
+19:07 <@NeddySeagoon> afk for 5 min
+19:07 <@tsunam> I will work on this now that the election results are official
+19:07 <@quantumsummers> sounds great
+19:07 <@tsunam> I will contact each trustee to confirm address and contact information in case it has changed since the last update
+19:07 <@quantumsummers> tsunam: how soon can you get that in place?
+19:07 <@tsunam> I'll send out emails next week to the trustee's and hopefully fill out the paperwork in the same week
+19:08  * quantumsummers thinks we'll need that before filing for np status
+19:08 <@quantumsummers> tsunam: that is solid, thanks
+19:08 <@quantumsummers> Guess we can move to GSoC Back Pay Update
+19:08 <@quantumsummers> tsunam: ?
+19:09 <@tsunam> Google has given us the money for all the previous years as requested
+19:09 <@tsunam> there is no outstanding balances with google at this time
+19:09 <@quantumsummers> fantastic. that is a substantial amount of money. thanks tsunam
+19:09 <@robbat2> what was the amount we gained from that, if you're comfortable mentioning the amount here?
+19:10 <@tsunam> I'd have to review the total amount to give an exact figure, but it was about 15k
+19:10 <@robbat2> nice
+19:10 <@dabbott> great, I will remove it from the agenda
+19:10 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, well done
+19:11  * quantumsummers will continues to SFLC Update, if everyone is ready
+19:11 <@tsunam> thanks goes to donnie for working with google to get it arranged
+19:11 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers 
+19:11 <@robbat2> yup
+19:11 <@quantumsummers> three cheers for Donnie
+19:11 <@dabbott> hip hip
+19:11 <@NeddySeagoon> horay ... I'll drop him a thank you email
+19:12 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers,  SFLC Update please
+19:12 <@quantumsummers> re: sflc; starting with the 1023 app; I anticipate the last pieces of my part going out this week
+19:12 <@quantumsummers> sflc will complete 2 sections dealing with the late application which include some narrative, etc by the middle of April
+19:13 <@quantumsummers> we should have everything in order to submit following a final draft approval
+19:13 <@quantumsummers> shooting for mid april
+19:13 <@quantumsummers> we have all necessary pieces like the bylaws, etc
+19:13 <@quantumsummers> I need to play a bit more with the budget in comparison to some examples I have
+19:13 <@quantumsummers> I will need feedback on the budget, of course
+19:13 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, can it be an AGM item, or should we wait until May ?   AGM would be good
+19:14 <@quantumsummers> although its not a set-in-stone sort of thing
+19:14 <@quantumsummers> AGM
+19:14 <@quantumsummers> I would really like to get this out asap
+19:14 <@quantumsummers> AGM is good with me, I think sflc will be fine with that too
+19:14 <@NeddySeagoon> ok - will you circulate the 1023 for us all to read and understand please ?
+19:15 <@quantumsummers> I am also working with sflc to put me in contact with several major users of gentoo.
+19:15 <@tsunam> sure
+19:15 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: sure will
+19:15 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, it will be novel to me :)
+19:15 <@quantumsummers> I am still collecting letters of support
+19:15 <@robbat2> re letters of support, last month we suggested a formal request for said letters, did that get written and put up?
+19:16 <@NeddySeagoon> how many letters of support do we need, or is the the more the better ?
+19:16 <@quantumsummers> hmm, I wrote that up, but only circulated privately
+19:16 <@NeddySeagoon> I don't recall seeing it
+19:16 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: more the better, then we can cherry pick the best ones for inclusion in the app
+19:16 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, ok
+19:17 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: circulated amongst people I knew that would be interested in writing one for uis
+19:17 <@quantumsummers> I need to post that an a couple other things to the /news
+19:17  * quantumsummers been busy a bit ;)
+19:17 <@robbat2> quantumsummers, can you please send that letter on to the rest of us, as I was waiting for it to send to some major gentoo users I know
+19:17 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, Ah ok ... that works for me.  Where is the record and the responses ?  Think audit trail
+19:17 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: yes sir.
+19:18 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers,  Certified Public Accountant (Quotes) 
+19:19 <@quantumsummers> CPA: ok so I have one from the local firm; $500 to $700 per month for full bookkeeping, taxes, etc. Still haven't heard from the NY group
+19:19 <@quantumsummers> I'll poke them on Monday
+19:20 <@quantumsummers> if we want just tax service, its about $1100
+19:20 <@quantumsummers> I found that monthly figure outrageous
+19:20 <@NeddySeagoon> me too
+19:20 <@tsunam> for the size of our organization, and the income its quite outrageous
+19:20 <@quantumsummers> taxes is a one time  fee
+19:20 <@quantumsummers> yeah, crazy
+19:20 <@robbat2> it does seem high, but perhaps their definition of full bookkeeping is somewhat larger than we actually need
+19:21 <@robbat2> we don't have any payroll for example
+19:21 <@tsunam> true
+19:21 <@quantumsummers> so, I think I will chat with them again. Yes, I gave them all the info, but it appears they have a different view of things than reality bears
+19:21 <@quantumsummers> that is far too expensive, far and away
+19:22 <@quantumsummers> Perhaps I will take the search to a broader group
+19:22 <@quantumsummers> can't hurt to have more quotes
+19:22 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, yeah, it won't do any harm.  I was expecting them to quote a fixed priced based on our workload ... not a $200 range
+19:22 <@quantumsummers> I am really disappointed in the local firm, I must say
+19:23 <@quantumsummers> so, the search continues
+19:23 <@NeddySeagoon> ok
+19:23 <@NeddySeagoon> moving on ..
+19:23 <@NeddySeagoon> Trademark Violation ? Tardix
+19:23 <@NeddySeagoon> I think this issue is closed ... unless it recurrs
+19:23 <@quantumsummers> re: TM violation; sflc was quite happy with our response. if we see further nonsense, sflc is happy to take action on our behalf
+19:24 <@dabbott> robbat2, ++
+19:24 <@NeddySeagoon> lets leave it at that
+19:24 <@quantumsummers> thanks to Diego for noting the violation and to robbat2 for squashing it
+19:24 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, rotating side bar ?
+19:24 <@robbat2> no change on my part, just haven't had time to sit down and deploy w/ integration to our existing stuff
+19:25 <@robbat2> we do have the web nodes moved now
+19:25 <@robbat2> to boxes with enough power for it
+19:25 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, any ETA for deployment ?
+19:25 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: have you deployed locally & tested/benchmarked the thing?
+19:25 <@robbat2> deployed locally and tested briefly, but no benches
+19:25 <@robbat2> NeddySeagoon, none unfortuntely. just short of time a lot lately
+19:26 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: I see about 300 req/s on a crap old p4
+19:26  * NeddySeagoon  Cash Sponsors Policy
+19:27 <@NeddySeagoon> No change.  Last months meeting wanted to take legal advice on the policy.   Its still in my devspace
+19:28 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott Larry The Cow Graphics Contest.
+19:28 <@dabbott> On hold I contacted musikc by email and irc. I have not heard back.
+19:28 <@dabbott> I do not want to start a Larry contest without the Gentoo Store being involved. If I ran the contest and the winning graphics was not offered on a t-shirt on the Gentoo Store as described in the contest announcement I would not have an answer when questioned as to why.
+19:28 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, sounds like a plan
+19:29 <@dabbott> I will poke here again
+19:29 <@dabbott> s/here/her
+19:29 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 4 Open Bugs
+19:30 <@NeddySeagoon> !bug 285520
+19:30 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/285520 "Copyright year in file headers should be updated when file is edited."; Portage Development, Repoman; NEW; neddyseagoon@g.o:dev-portage@g.o
+19:31 <@robbat2> echangelog already updates copyright dates in ebuilds and the changelog
+19:31 <@robbat2> should we get it to automatically update stuff in files/?
+19:31 <@robbat2> it cannot by definition update stuff in custom tarballs however
+19:31 <@robbat2> so developer education may be needed there
+19:31 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, I raised the bug after spotting a few old dates in new ebuilds
+19:31 <@robbat2> in the ebuilds themselves, or in files/ ?
+19:32 <@NeddySeagoon> ebuilds
+19:33 <@dabbott> then they did not use repoman
+19:33 <@robbat2> odd, echangelog does edit them when there was a change
+19:33 <@NeddySeagoon> err ...  config files when I was doing etc-update
+19:33 <@robbat2> ok, config files come from files/, and echangelog doesn't touch those
+19:33 <@NeddySeagoon> Ah ok. maybe we want to update files/ too then
+19:35 <@robbat2> ok, lets ask the gentoolkit-dev folk to update echangelog for that
+19:35 <@NeddySeagoon> at least, config files
+19:35  * quantumsummers is unsure about wanting to &copy; config files. I guess if they are gentoo-specific
+19:35 <@robbat2> conf.d files certainly are gentoo-specific
+19:35 <@robbat2> ditto init.d
+19:35 <@quantumsummers> sure, that makes sense
+19:36 <@robbat2> we would have to be very careful that we don't edit patches however
+19:36 <@robbat2> because they would get broken
+19:36 <@quantumsummers> perhaps I prod to take a look at what we should not mess with
+19:36 <@robbat2> but this is getting outside the realm of trustee stuff I think
+19:36 <@quantumsummers> indeed
+19:37 <@NeddySeagoon> !bug 285549
+19:37 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/285549 "Add #gentoo-ir (Iran) to IRC channels list"; Website www.gentoo.org, Other; NEW; belendax@gmail.com:infra-bugs@g.o
+19:38 <@quantumsummers> I have a question about this. We do country or language specific channels?
+19:38 <@quantumsummers> I somehow thought it was language specific
+19:38 <@quantumsummers> in which case we should do a farsi (!sp) and/or arabic channel
+19:39 <@dabbott> I can understand language specific, but country 
+19:39 <@NeddySeagoon> well, there is -pt and -br which are both variarions on Porugese
+19:39 <@robbat2> they are regional channels
+19:39 <@robbat2> http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/irc.xml
+19:40 <@NeddySeagoon> and #gentoo and #gentoo-uk which are different dialects of English :)
+19:40 <@quantumsummers> a language-specific policy likely would render any argument regarding the concerns brought up on the bug obsolete
+19:40 <@dabbott> well in that case no reason not to, the ban has been lifted
+19:40 <@quantumsummers> hmm, this is tricky business.
+19:40 <@tsunam> (got about 5 more minutes)
+19:40 <@quantumsummers> kk
+19:41 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll go with what the American trustees decide
+19:41 <@robbat2> as I noted in the bug, there is no restrictions against talking to people in Iran, you could pick up the phone now and dial somebody there
+19:42 <@quantumsummers> personally, I think we should focus on language support, as opposed to a specific country in this case
+19:42 <@NeddySeagoon> its the export of software from the USA.  It would be up to persons located in the USA not to post things on pastebins
+19:43 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, that clarification would certianly fix it ... but is Iranian a language, or is it Arabic ?
+19:43 <@robbat2> NeddySeagoon, i'm pretty sure that pastebins would fall under the TSU exemption (if anybody followed up the kernel.org stuff I mentioned)
+19:44 <@robbat2> Farsi is the language
+19:44 <@robbat2> but i'd expect an Iranian channel to contain both Farsi and Arabic
+19:45 <@robbat2> possibly also large amounts of Turkish
+19:45 <@NeddySeagoon> Farsi is used outside of Iran.  Would this be a change of policy ?
+19:45 <@dabbott> we have existing country channels so my opinion is add it, it is no different than the other ones
+19:46 <@tsunam> k I'm out. bugs I'm involved in should be fairly up to date
+19:46 <@tsunam> good luck with the rest of the meeting
+19:46 <@NeddySeagoon> there is #gentoo-tr thats very quiet
+19:46 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, bye for now
+19:46 <@robbat2> the channels have always been regional, to encourage the users in that regional to help each other, and have a larger common cultural base
+19:46 <@robbat2> cya tsunam
+19:46  * tsunam thinks language based would be a better policy then country
+19:46 <@dabbott> later tsunam 
+19:48 <@NeddySeagoon> ok, lets fix the IRC page to show channels are language based and add gentoo-  whatever the abbrevation is
+19:48 <@robbat2> what do we do about pt-br then?
+19:48 <@NeddySeagoon> Free SW transends policatical boundaries anyway
+19:49 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: they are 2 dialects of portugese
+19:49 <@robbat2> iirc the Quebecios had their own channel too at one point
+19:49 <@NeddySeagoon> We would need to merge -pt and -br  ... if the languages are close enough
+19:49 <@quantumsummers> good point, robbat2
+19:50 <@robbat2> in both of those cases, the language is nearly identical, the culture isn't
+19:50 <@NeddySeagoon> thats a problem
+19:51 <@quantumsummers> perhaps we should request comment from legal before we proceed
+19:51 <@NeddySeagoon> Culture plays a big part in setting expectations and assumptions on IRC
+19:51 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, ok
+19:51 <@robbat2> Given that Facebook (as a large US company) has iranian+Farsi support (seperate, but related), why should Gentoo have any problems adding similar support?
+19:51 <@quantumsummers> I would think that doing something in the entire region should be just fine
+19:52 <@quantumsummers> however, I believe its the language that is important, and not the geo-location
+19:52 <@robbat2> region/culture, of which language is a major contributing factor
+19:52 <@NeddySeagoon> We are taking too long on this one.
+19:52 <@robbat2> yeah
+19:52 <@quantumsummers> so, we can do an arabic channel, and also a farsi channel?
+19:53 <@robbat2> ask legal if we can add it, in light of the TSU exemption AND facebook support
+19:53 <@robbat2> if we can't add .ir directly
+19:53 <@robbat2> then fallback to arabic and farsi
+19:53 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, ++
+19:53 <@quantumsummers> seems fine
+19:53 <@dabbott> ok
+19:53 <@NeddySeagoon> !bug 252140
+19:53 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/252140 "media-libs/amr[nw]b update LICENSE"; Gentoo Linux, Ebuilds; NEW; luke-jr+gentoobugs@utopios.org:sound@g.o
+19:54  * quantumsummers apologizes, but must attend to the dinner guest. I will check in here after (about 2 hours I imagine)
+19:54 <@robbat2> ssuominen asked for a link to the actual license, and never got it
+19:55 <@robbat2> RESO NEEDINFO
+19:55 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, ok
+19:56 <@NeddySeagoon> !bug 293657
+19:56 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/293657 "domains gentoo.at and gentoo.cc"; Website www.gentoo.org, Other; NEW; jodok@batlogg.com:trustees@g.o
+19:56 <@dabbott> we don't need more domains
+19:58 <@robbat2> .cc has additional value in representing creative commons
+19:58 <@robbat2> so if we wanted to pursue anything with that, that'd be the only reason I could find to keep it
+19:59 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, whats the infa work involved ?  Are more domains value for money or should we be using sub domains ?
+19:59 <@robbat2> NeddySeagoon, on the technical side, less than 5 mins in the ultradns admin UI
+20:00 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, what about maintainance ?
+20:00 <@robbat2> slightly longer to navigate around various DNS registrars for initial setup and paying annually
+20:00 <@NeddySeagoon> If the site won't be maintained - we don't want it
+20:00 <@robbat2> (unless multi-year is possible, which is preferrable for discounts)
+20:00 <@robbat2> there was no proposal to take their site
+20:00 <@robbat2> only the domain
+20:00 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, Gandi do multi-year
+20:01 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, So we fund the registration is all ?
+20:01 <@robbat2> yup
+20:02 <@NeddySeagoon> I have no problem with that
+20:02 <@NeddySeagoon> ... provided the site is maintatned
+20:02 <@robbat2> what do you mean by site in this case?
+20:03 <@robbat2> the other domains we've picked up have directed to some sub part of the www.gentoo.org site
+20:03 <@robbat2> or made a language selection easier
+20:03 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, the content
+20:04 <@robbat2> err, I keep interpreting you as if there is some site content other than that of www.g.o
+20:04 <@NeddySeagoon> Lets just do it - its $20 a year .... we need to review the use that all these domains we pick up are put to and drop ones that are not used
+20:05 <@dabbott> NeddySeagoon, I think .cc could go to http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/contract.xml
+20:05 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, that is what I was understanding
+20:05 -!- Arfrever [~Arfrever@gentoo/developer/Arfrever] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
+20:06 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, Ah, I see.
+20:06 <@robbat2> do we need a vote?
+20:06 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, and if nobody uses gentoo.cc  we drop it
+20:06 <@robbat2> or just marked as accepted and i'll take care of it as the infra side
+20:07 <@dabbott> fine here
+20:07 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, fine by me - longer term we need a way to cull unused domains
+20:08 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, ?
+20:08 <@robbat2> he's gone already
+20:08 <@NeddySeagoon> carried anyway - 3 votes for
+20:08 <@robbat2> i'm updating the bug
+20:09 <@NeddySeagoon> !bug 296766
+20:09 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/296766 "Corrections to corporation filing needed as of 2009/12/13"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; NEW; robbat2@g.o:trustees@g.o
+20:09 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, is onto that
+20:10 <@robbat2> that was dealt with earlier, just leave a comment in it I think
+20:10 <@dabbott> yep
+20:10 <@NeddySeagoon> !bug 302542
+20:10 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/302542 "domain gentoo.org.il"; Website www.gentoo.org, Other; NEW; spatz@g.o:trustees@g.o
+20:11 <@robbat2> do we even have a hebrew translation?
+20:11 <@dabbott> .cc I can understand this one ?
+20:11 <@NeddySeagoon> What would we do with gentoo.il
+20:12 <@robbat2> gentoo.org.ul
+20:12 <@robbat2> *il
+20:12 <@robbat2> not gentoo.il
+20:12 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, thanks.  I still don't see it being used
+20:13 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, what would you do with it if we kept it for a year so we can make up our mind ?
+20:13 <@robbat2> that transfer cost seems rather high
+20:13 <@robbat2> let's ask now
+20:14 <@NeddySeagoon> I'm against collecting random domains because that have gentoo in their names
+20:14 <@NeddySeagoon> they*
+20:15 <@NeddySeagoon> It expires next Saturday
+20:15 <@robbat2> validity:     27-03-2011
+20:15 <@robbat2> no it doesn't
+20:15 <@robbat2> they renewed it in the meanwhile
+20:16 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, OK, we have a year to make up our minds
+20:16 <@NeddySeagoon> !bug  304853
+20:16 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/304853 "Not possible to purchase Larry the cow clothing"; User Relations, User/Developer Issues; NEW; mihel@hotbox.ru:trustees@g.o
+20:17 <@dabbott> working on it
+20:17 <@NeddySeagoon> the competition
+20:18 <@NeddySeagoon> !bug 305341
+20:18 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: No permissions to access Bug #305341 in gentoo
+20:19 <@NeddySeagoon> Does this bug need to be restricted?
+20:19 <@dabbott> thats the provantage equipment
+20:19 <@robbat2> we already said it can be unrestricted
+20:19 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, I can read it, the bot can't
+20:19 <@robbat2> nothing in it says why it was
+20:20 <@robbat2> however if we get questions about it in the first place, some of the trustees emails are private due to the sponsor's internal business details
+20:21 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, correct.  The expenditure will show in our accounts - we need to check the wording on the bug and open it if possible
+20:21 <@robbat2> solar and kingtaco already did so
+20:22 <@robbat2> the sole concern was the chain of questions as I noted
+20:22 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, that may come anyway, when the accounts are published
+20:22 <@robbat2> yup
+20:23 <@NeddySeagoon> Lets open the bug now than
+20:23 <@NeddySeagoon> then
+20:23 <@robbat2> +1
+20:23 <@robbat2> you want to do it, or I can?
+20:23 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll just do it
+20:24 <@NeddySeagoon> !bug 305341
+20:24 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/305341 "Funding Request: Phase 1 of OSL refresh & migration"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; NEW; kingtaco@g.o:trustees@g.o
+20:24 <@NeddySeagoon> that worked
+20:24 <@NeddySeagoon> !bug 305639
+20:25 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/305639 "Reimbursement from infra budget: halcy0n for bender PSUs"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; NEW; robbat2@g.o:trustees@g.o
+20:25 <@NeddySeagoon> We need tsunam to tell us that its been paid
+20:25 <@robbat2> i think the PSUs arrived at OSU already, i'll confirm and tsunam can pay halcy0n
+20:25 <@robbat2> armin76, ^^^ did they turn up yet?
+20:26 <@NeddySeagoon> !bug 291404
+20:26 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: No permissions to access Bug #291404 in gentoo
+20:26 <+armin76> robbat2: yes, ramereth said so
+20:26 <@robbat2> ok, thanks
+20:28 <@dabbott> NeddySeagoon, the last bug He/She has been quiet lately
+20:28 <@NeddySeagoon> I think we are on this userrel bug for info only.   
+20:28 <@robbat2> NeddySeagoon, you already commented on bug 291404 months ago, i don't see anything further for trustees
+20:29 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, I got two invites to join his facebook
+20:29 <@dabbott> fun fun
+20:29 <@NeddySeagoon> !bug 296492
+20:29 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/296492 ""Agenda" links are wrong"; Website www.gentoo.org, Other; ASSI; tove@g.o:trustees@g.o
+20:30 <@robbat2> WIP for me
+20:30 <@NeddySeagoon> Item 5. New Business
+20:31 <@NeddySeagoon> Open Invention Network
+20:31 <@NeddySeagoon> Security and confidence regarding software patents.
+20:31 <@dabbott> shanecoughlan, ^^^
+20:32 <@NeddySeagoon> I think its a good thing ... but I would like to see our legal run an eye of the licence before we sign up
+20:32 < shanecoughlan> Hi guys. While OIN cannot guarantee patent problems will not occur, we believe our deterrent is significant. 
+20:33 <@NeddySeagoon> of -> over
+20:33 <@NeddySeagoon> shanecoughlan, thats only in the USA I presume ?
+20:33 < shanecoughlan> The OIN licensee agreement basically says:
+20:33 < shanecoughlan> (1) OIN gives you a royalty-free license for all OIN patents and patent applications.  
+20:33 < shanecoughlan> (2) In return you give a royalty-free license for any Linux System patents or patent applications you have to OIN and other licensees.
+20:33 <@robbat2> we don't have any patents
+20:33 < shanecoughlan> no, OIN has international patents, and operates globally.  I am in Japan.  It's 5.33am here.
+20:34 < shanecoughlan> You don't need any :)  It's only if you have Linux System patents that you need to grant patent licenses.  If you don't have any, then there is no cost to obtaining the deterrent.
+20:34 <@NeddySeagoon> shanecoughlan, Its not just software patents then ?
+20:34 < shanecoughlan> NeddySeagoon: only software patents.
+20:34 <@robbat2> by linux system, do you cover only the kernel or the entire ecosystem?
+20:35 < shanecoughlan> The OIN licensee program is about creating a software patent aggression "no fly zone" over the Linux System.
+20:35 < shanecoughlan> robbat2: It is more than the kernel, but not all of FOSS.  The formal definitions of Linux System and everything else OIN uses are here:
+20:35 < shanecoughlan> http://www.openinventionnetwork.com/pat_linuxdef.php
+20:36 < shanecoughlan> robbat2: What OIN counts as Linux Environment Components (the stuff explicitly protected) are listed here:
+20:36 < shanecoughlan> http://www.openinventionnetwork.com/pat_linuxdefpop.html
+20:37 <@robbat2> so anything that gentoo holds the base copyright on perhaps?
+20:37 <@NeddySeagoon> I'm in favour of a considered approach ... I do not intend to make up my mind today
+20:39 <@robbat2> shanecoughlan, your table in that last link is also somewhat broken, do you have the raw data somewhere accessible too?
+20:41 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, lets come back to this
+20:41 <@NeddySeagoon> April Mandatory Gentoo Foundation Inc Annual General Meeting ...
+20:41 < shanecoughlan> robbat2: Sorry, I just have these links.  Basically, anything under the definition and links above falls under "Linux System" and requires a patent license grant from licensees (if they have any patent covering that stuff).  In return they get the same from other licensees plus a grant to whatever OIN holds.  Just as importantly, the licensee program also creates a link between OIN and xProject or yCompany to help deter 
+20:41 < shanecoughlan> aggression from any third parties.  OIN has significant resources and experience in the field, and a mission to protect the growth of Linux-related innovation.
+20:42 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, ?
+20:42 <@robbat2> your Linux system definition seems to be really broad however, Gentoo distributes source tarballs for a LOT of stuff, so i'm trying to see what would actually be covered of them
+20:43 <@robbat2> for those that aren't already covered
+20:43 <@robbat2> the linuxdefpop contains duplicated date, but the majority of those packages are already in Gentoo
+20:44 <@robbat2> the DVR/DVD exemptions also seem weird
+20:44 < shanecoughlan> robbat2: that means you are distributing code OIN is actively working to protect, which is one reason OIN wants to talk with you about working together.  OIN wants to cover distros in the licensee program as part of its outreach to support the community.
+20:44 <@robbat2> MythTV is entirely linux based, why isn't it protected as a linux system component?
+20:46 <@robbat2> NeddySeagoon, yup, return to it on the AGM, but perhaps also schedule an additional meeting for discussing it?
+20:46 <@robbat2> that list and definition raise far more questions
+20:47 <@robbat2> i don't have a problem with the concept itself, I've seen Keiths presentations several times now and chatted with him
+20:47 <@robbat2> but some of the details bug me now
+20:47 < shanecoughlan> robbat2: OIN is happy to engage with you guys to clarify items.
+20:47 <@robbat2> we're running way late on the meeting already, so pushed to another meeting / email
+20:47 <@robbat2> thanks shane
+20:47 <@robbat2> do we have your email address directly?
+20:47 < shanecoughlan> robbat2: you are welcome.
+20:48 < shanecoughlan> scoughlan@openinventionnetwork.com
+20:48 <@robbat2> thanks
+20:48 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, ok, lets take it to the list and collect all the questions together - we can then forward them to OIN.  When we have some answers, we can have a discussion with OIN to tidy up loose ends
+20:48 <@NeddySeagoon> thanks shanecoughlan 
+20:48 <@robbat2> NeddySeagoon, open list please, not the private alias
+20:48 <@dabbott> thanks for your time shanecoughlan 
+20:48 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, sure -nfp
+20:49 <@robbat2> next agenda item
+20:49 <@NeddySeagoon> April will be our AGM - normal monthly business is mostly suspended.
+20:50 <@NeddySeagoon> We will need reports from officers. Look at last years reports.
+20:50 <@dabbott> NeddySeagoon, can you help me with the agenda
+20:50 <@NeddySeagoon> The treasurers report should include a Gentoo Store Financial Report
+20:50 <@robbat2> reports from president, secretary, treasurer
+20:51 <@robbat2> i'll try to help tsunam with the treasurer side to review numbers before it goes final
+20:51 <@dabbott> and that is all
+20:51 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, yep.  The most important point is that we double all the trustees salaries :)
+20:51 <@robbat2> $0.00 to $00.00 :-)
+20:51 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, exactly
+20:51 <@dabbott> no layoffs this year I can promise 
+20:52 -!- shanecoughlan [~shanecoug@TMNfi-01p2-10.ppp11.odn.ad.jp] has left #gentoo-trustees []
+20:52 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda item 6 Membership Applications 
+20:52 <@robbat2> none at this time :-)
+20:52 <@NeddySeagoon> There were none
+20:52 <@NeddySeagoon> Item 7 Date of Next Meeting - 18th Apr 2010 19:00 UTC
+20:52 <@NeddySeagoon> The UK will be on daylight saving time but I expect to be there
+20:53 <@dabbott> NeddySeagoon, is 18:00 better ?
+20:53 <@robbat2> i'm supposed to be back from silicon valley the day before that, so I should be there
+20:53 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, just different
+20:53 <@robbat2> i have to leave in about 5 mins now tho
+20:53 <@NeddySeagoon> Item 8 Any other business ...
+20:54 <@robbat2> none from me
+20:54 <@dabbott> none here
+20:54 <@NeddySeagoon> I have one ... the Gentoo-wiki needs to update its about page
+20:54 <@NeddySeagoon> Its missing the acknowledgement about our logo
+20:55 <@NeddySeagoon> Oh ... I will produce a meetings calander for the next 12 Months too
+20:55 <@robbat2> open a bug for it and contact them? mikevalstar@gmail.com is the email to contact them
+20:55 <@robbat2> or was in 2008 at least
+20:55 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, ok, I'll do that
+20:55 <@robbat2> but it's a wiki, we might be able to just edit in ourselves :-)
+20:55 <@NeddySeagoon> hehe
+20:56 <@NeddySeagoon> Responsibilities ...
+20:56 <@robbat2> yup, we can
+20:56 <@robbat2> what do you want it to say?
+20:56 <@robbat2> i'll put it right now
+20:56 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll post logs and update motions - If I can remember how to use CVS
+20:56 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, copy it from our non-commercial use page
+20:57 <@NeddySeagoon> I still have motions from 2008 to add
+20:58 <@NeddySeagoon> emails are down to quantumsummers but I don't think there were any new ones
+20:58 <@NeddySeagoon> Which brings us to Item 10 Open Floor
+21:00  * NeddySeagoon declares the meeting closed
diff --git a/2010/20100418_trustees_meeting_log.txt b/2010/20100418_trustees_meeting_log.txt
new file mode 100644
index 0000000..d189aec
--- /dev/null
+++ b/2010/20100418_trustees_meeting_log.txt
@@ -0,0 +1,155 @@
+* NeddySeagoon banks his gavel to bring the meeting to order
+<NeddySeagoon> roll call
+* quantumsummers is present
+<_robbat2|irssi> present
+<NeddySeagoon> tsunam, dabbott 
+<dabbott> here
+<tsunam> present
+<tsunam> heating up some food quickly
+<NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, would you chair please ... I may be called away
+<quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: very well sir
+<NeddySeagoon> _robbat2|irssi, at least there is some point in you being at an airport ... they are no flights here
+* NeddySeagoon passes the gavel to quantumsummers 
+* quantumsummers calls for order ;)
+<_robbat2|irssi> NeddySeagoon: consider it a time to study the sudden lack of noise pollutuion
+<quantumsummers> Thanks for joining us today, normal business has been suspended due to the Annual General Meeting we are ohlding today
+<_robbat2|irssi> fyi, my next flight boards in 65 minutes, so i hope we're done by then
+<quantumsummers> Reports from the President, Secretary and Treasurer will be presented
+<quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: Mr. President, would present your report
+<NeddySeagoon> The presidents report is on line at http://dev.gentoo.org/~neddyseagoon/PresidentsReport.xml
+<quantumsummers> thank you.
+<quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: would you like to make any comment?
+<NeddySeagoon> Provided its approved, I'll commit it to foundation webspace 
+<quantumsummers> Any comments from the board or members?
+<NeddySeagoon> Everything is there ... the key thing is that we must get more people working in the foundation. The 5 of us is not enough
+<quantumsummers> Motion: Accept NeddySeagoon's report
+<NeddySeagoon> Aye
+<_robbat2|irssi> no objections from me, just some minor nits about wrong auto-corrected words
+<_robbat2|irssi> Aye
+<dabbott> yes
+<tsunam> aye
+<quantumsummers> Carried
+<quantumsummers> thanks Roy
+<NeddySeagoon> _robbat2|irssi, email me the nits, I'll fix it before I commit
+* quantumsummers is scp-ing my report now.
+<_robbat2|irssi> NeddySeagoon: ok, when i'm in Vancouver tonight
+<NeddySeagoon> fine
+<quantumsummers> Secretary's Report is here http://dev.gentoo.org/~quantumsummers/20100418_Gentoo_AGM_Sectretary_Report.txt
+<quantumsummers> please pardon the format, I will xml-ify later today
+<tsunam> looks fine to me
+<quantumsummers> lol, that is ugly as sucker fish
+<tsunam> I'd say a hagfish :-P
+<quantumsummers> I am open to any additions 
+<quantumsummers> tsunam: HA!
+<NeddySeagoon> Motion to accept the secertarys report
+<_robbat2|irssi> quantumsummers: not sure if it goes in yours or tsunam's, but what about our thank-you donation to OSL?
+<tsunam> aye
+<NeddySeagoon> aye
+<_robbat2|irssi> aye in the meantime, pending an answer about that OSL donation
+<tsunam> should probably go in mine
+<dabbott> Aye
+<tsunam> mine's still a work in progress ~_~
+<NeddySeagoon> _robbat2|irssi, that should be in the accounts 
+<tsunam> but I can give what I have so far
+<NeddySeagoon> tsunam, yes please
+<tsunam> In the fiscal year 2010, for the period of July 1st through march 31st  we had a Gross total of $24,404.44. Of the above amount Google Summer of Code payments account for $19,651.59. 
+<tsunam> Our expenses for the same period of time include $205.87 dollars in fee's for paypal. Other expenses include purchases of the following equipment: 1 Efika MX, 6 atom based supermicro servers. The total for new hardware purchases came out to $3,751.17. Misceleneous expenses include 50 dollars to the OSUOSL beer fund to provide some support ot the students/staff who assisted in installation of the 6 atom servers.
+<quantumsummers> tsunam: can you state the net from the store and donations?
+<NeddySeagoon> We need to delay the acceptance motion until the report is complete
+<tsunam> NeddySeagoon: understood
+<tsunam> quantumsummers: store has not been transfered to the banks yet
+<quantumsummers> ok.
+<quantumsummers> I also noticed your pages on q1 and q1 2010
+<quantumsummers> that is q1 and q2
+<tsunam> quantumsummers: uploaded today is q2 and q3 2010
+<_robbat2|irssi> tsunam: share numbers with me this evening, and as the trustee without a report of my own to add, I'll help review and get it ready with you
+<quantumsummers> very nice gentlemen
+<dabbott> tsunam, example table fix for 2010q2.xml  http://paste.pocoo.org/show/203366/
+<quantumsummers> Next Item
+<NeddySeagoon> _robbat2|irssi, its officers, reports.  If we had appointed officers, its they that would be doing these reports
+<quantumsummers> 501(c)(3) registration status
+<quantumsummers> shall I wait?
+<NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, nope - please continue
+<quantumsummers> Ok.
+<NeddySeagoon> OOps - you are chairman.  Its your meeting
+<tsunam> heh
+<quantumsummers> I am slow typing, sorry
+<quantumsummers> so, the application is in the final stages now. I have a budget I will circulate this week. We are awaiting a bit from the sflc regarding our 3-years problem, but that is all 
+<tsunam> dabbott: feel free to commit 
+<dabbott> ok
+<quantumsummers> I will send a pdf version of the completed app with extraneous materials out this week as well
+<tsunam> dabbott: for both q2 and q3 this fy. It was a change I was making at the request of clarifing expenses better
+<NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, thats because we are late ?
+<quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: we are not late for anything 
+<tsunam> quantumsummers: then 3-years problem?
+<quantumsummers> oh oh oh
+<quantumsummers> well, that is being "handled"
+<NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, I thought there was a max time to apply for 503 status after an Inc was created ?
+<quantumsummers> yes, so the app requires some extra legal fiddling, but I have assurance we will have no trouble
+<NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, ok
+<quantumsummers> any questions?
+<_robbat2|irssi> none
+<quantumsummers> ok
+<quantumsummers> Item 4 Trustee Election
+<tsunam> nope, will await the final paperwork to review
+<quantumsummers> tsunam: I think it will be more pleasant for you that way :)
+<NeddySeagoon> not from me
+<quantumsummers> Item 4 Trustee Election: The incumbent board members ran unopposed, and thus have been re-elected to another 2 year term
+<quantumsummers> Congratulations once again, and thank you for all you guys continue to do for Gentoo
+<NeddySeagoon> that gets the result into the meeting log - thanks
+<tsunam> suggestion: mention the reelected members by name
+<quantumsummers> Item 5: Meeting Calendar
+<quantumsummers> whoops, NeddySeagoon, sire
+<NeddySeagoon> The proposed meeting calander is at http://paste.pocoo.org/show/203288/
+<quantumsummers> The incumbents re-elected are, David Abbott, Roy Bamford, and Joshus Jackson.
+<quantumsummers> *Joshua
+<tsunam> quantumsummers: thank you
+<quantumsummers> Motion: Approve Meeting Calendar
+<dabbott> proposed meeting calender dates are fine with me
+<quantumsummers> same here
+<tsunam> they should be fine with me as well
+<NeddySeagoon> Meetings are planned for 3rd Sunday in the month
+<NeddySeagoon> Seconded
+<quantumsummers> yep, that is great
+<tsunam> it's seemed to work well so far
+<quantumsummers> aye
+<NeddySeagoon> aye
+<tsunam> aye
+<dabbott> aye
+<quantumsummers> _robbat2|irssi: ?
+<_robbat2|irssi> sorry, aye
+<quantumsummers> np
+<quantumsummers> Motion Carried
+<quantumsummers> calendar is adopted
+<_robbat2|irssi> july, october, march, I might have something, but it's too far in the future to know yet
+<quantumsummers> :)
+<NeddySeagoon> I'll commit that when I get the chance
+<quantumsummers> Item 6: Any Other Business
+<NeddySeagoon> None from me
+<quantumsummers> I have something
+<_robbat2|irssi> minor note from me
+<_robbat2|irssi> one new sponsor coming up thanks to a chance meeting at MySQL conference, details to follow when they go online in a few weeks
+<quantumsummers> I mentioned it earlier but, new stuff in icoalesce. donor management is in place, todo lists in the project, new KM stuff, etc
+<NeddySeagoon> _robbat2|irssi, that sounds good
+<quantumsummers> nice work _robbat2|irssi
+<NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, do we need to go into this now or is there a HOWTO to read ?
+<quantumsummers> Alrighty, moving along? No more business from the board?
+<tsunam> none here
+<_robbat2|irssi> nothing else from me
+<quantumsummers> ah, NeddySeagoon, I have a book if you want to look at that
+<NeddySeagoon> none from me
+<dabbott> nope
+<NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, yes please.
+<quantumsummers> It should be fairly clear from clicking around a bit, but I can answer questions  too
+<quantumsummers> ok, so here we have our final item
+<NeddySeagoon> I'll play first and ask later :)
+<quantumsummers> Item 7: Open Floor
+<quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: indeed sir, have fun :)
+<quantumsummers> Now is the time for community members to comment please
+<NeddySeagoon> we must be doing a good job - the community is very quiet
+<tsunam> heh
+<quantumsummers> anybody?
+<quantumsummers> going once ...
+<quantumsummers> going twice ...
+<quantumsummers> three times a lady ...
+<quantumsummers> Thanks to everyone for joining us today. Meeting adjourned.
diff --git a/2010/20100516_trustees_meeting_log.txt b/2010/20100516_trustees_meeting_log.txt
new file mode 100644
index 0000000..0fafd19
--- /dev/null
+++ b/2010/20100516_trustees_meeting_log.txt
@@ -0,0 +1,375 @@
+20:00  * NeddySeagoon bangs his gavel to bring the meeting to order and calls roll call
+20:00 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, tsunam robbat2|na quantumsummers  ?
+20:00 <@robbat2|na> hi
+20:00 <@dabbott> here, please refresh agenda page
+20:00 <@quantumsummers> hello
+20:00 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, ok
+20:01 <@NeddySeagoon> missing tsunam ... does someone more local then me want to give him a call please
+20:02 <@robbat2|na> i'll ring him
+20:02 <@NeddySeagoon> It looks like I'm logging as my logger is here
+20:02 <@NeddySeagoon> ta
+20:02 <@NeddySeagoon> Item 3 Old Business
+20:03 <@NeddySeagoon> Open Invention Network ... last I heard the lawyers were looking at this
+20:03 < tsunam> I'm here
+20:03 < tsunam> sorry
+20:03 <@NeddySeagoon> hi tsunam 
+20:03 <@dabbott> hi tsunam 
+20:03 < tsunam> thought it was next week for some reason =/
+20:03 -!- mode/#gentoo-trustees [+o tsunam] by NeddySeagoon
+20:04 <@NeddySeagoon> its the 3rd Sunday in the month 1900 UTC
+20:04 <@tsunam> NeddySeagoon: yeah was thinking next sunday was the 3rd
+20:04 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, how are the lawyers getting on with OIN ?
+20:05 <@quantumsummers> sec ...
+20:06 <@quantumsummers> its basically the same as the last time we discussed in March. Its not of immediate benefit, for we have no patents, however there is certainly no harm.
+20:07 <@robbat2|na> so we just need to decide to join or not now?
+20:07 <@quantumsummers> pretty much
+20:07 <@quantumsummers> does it fit with gentoo that we are a member now.
+20:07 <@quantumsummers> that is the question
+20:08 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, Lets join, we can always leave if we don't like it.   I don't see us having any patents any time soon
+20:08 <@quantumsummers> another thing to note, there is no rush to join either
+20:09 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: you have the floor, if you wish, call a vote.
+20:09 <@NeddySeagoon> we need a decision to get it off the agenda ... is anything we do patentable or is copyright adequate protection ?  Patents are expensive to take out
+20:09 <@dabbott> motion join Open Invention Network yes no later
+20:10 <@tsunam> honestly, I'm against software patents so I'd tend to avoid patents
+20:10 <@NeddySeagoon> seconded
+20:10 <@robbat2|na> I don't think anything we've done as a Foundation is patentable. what some individual developers have done, maybe
+20:10 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, me too but they are a fact of life, in the USA anyway
+20:10 <@tsunam> NeddySeagoon: aye :(
+20:11 <@tsunam> my vote is no
+20:11 <@NeddySeagoon> lets ask it another way.  IF we had something to patent, would we fund it ?
+20:12 <@NeddySeagoon> I don't think we would
+20:12 <@tsunam> its a good question
+20:12 <@robbat2|na> my vote is later
+20:12 <@NeddySeagoon> I'm with robbat2|na today
+20:12  * quantumsummers abstaines
+20:13 <@NeddySeagoon> thats a no and two laters ... dabbott quantumsummers ?
+20:13 <@dabbott> later also, we can add it back to the agenda when wanted
+20:13 <@robbat2|na> by later, revisit in 6 months
+20:13 <@quantumsummers> +1
+20:13 <@robbat2|na> 1 no, 3 later, 1 abstain
+20:14 <@NeddySeagoon> I think we have a later decison... Add to Novembers agenda
+20:14 <@quantumsummers> I'll add that to the todo, just in case, revisit in 6 months
+20:14 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, Treasuers Report ... from the AGM
+20:15 <@tsunam> not prepared as I thought it was next weekend :(
+20:16 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, post it to the alias by next weekend please - we can discuss and vote on it there
+20:16 <@tsunam> *nods*
+20:16 <@tsunam> will do
+20:16 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, Cafepress Revenue ?   is that the same ?
+20:16 <@tsunam> still the same
+20:17 <@tsunam> have not talked to anyone about those revenue's
+20:17 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, and Updating Registration in NM ?
+20:17 <@tsunam> will get that done next week
+20:17 -!- Ronis_BR [~quassel@201-74-131-55-sj.cpe.vivax.com.br] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
+20:17 <@tsunam> then file the annual beginning of july
+20:17 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, you have a busy week :)
+20:17 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam yep
+20:17 <@tsunam> NeddySeagoon: typically that's work that does that
+20:18 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers SFLC Update
+20:18 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, :)
+20:19 <@quantumsummers> so, there are a few things I need from you guys to file. There are a couple of tasks on docs too. Once that is done & the budget is approved we file.
+20:19 <@quantumsummers> I've added them all to the todo
+20:19 <@quantumsummers> remove the foundation stuff referencing 501c6 and dev rewards
+20:19 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, OK, I need to read the TODO then
+20:19 <@quantumsummers> short paragraph detailing time table of events for foundation, in terms of what went wrong with previous mis-management, etc -- for sflc-Karen
+20:19 <@quantumsummers> Board Member Bios employment, schools, experience with NFPs, avg. hours per week worked on Gentoo see http://www.softwarefreedom.org/about/team/ for an example
+20:20 <@quantumsummers> this last one is something that tsunam & robbat2|na can work on: summary financials for past 3 years, if possible for entire history
+20:20 <@quantumsummers> though I will note that I have most of the history, from tsunam
+20:21 <@tsunam> we have funding history from the 3rd quarter of 2005..earliest we can do
+20:21 <@quantumsummers> yep
+20:21 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, even for before 2008 ?
+20:21 <@robbat2|na> by summary, you mean final summary, or what level of breakouts?
+20:21 <@quantumsummers> this will be a very simple report
+20:22 <@quantumsummers> we have small income from a few sources, we have expeditures
+20:22 <@quantumsummers> nothing fancy. I can help
+20:22 <@quantumsummers> I have examples
+20:22 <@NeddySeagoon> that will help
+20:23 <@quantumsummers> it would be handy to have a centralized accounting of the files we have pertaining to this specifically
+20:23 <@tsunam> *nods*
+20:23 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, Certified Public Accountant (Quotes) ... if you are done with SFLC
+20:23 <@quantumsummers> not done. sflc will explain the situation, which will be aided by one of our tasks
+20:24 <@quantumsummers> this one >> short paragraph detailing time table of events for foundation, in terms of what went wrong with previous mis-management, etc -- for sflc-Karen
+20:24 <@quantumsummers> so we make our case to the feds, and bada bing we're a charity
+20:24 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, I'll do that - it looks like everyone else is busy ... when do you need it for ?
+20:25 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: that would be great. as soon as you can manage
+20:25 <@quantumsummers> 3 or 4 weeks ok?
+20:26 <@dabbott> quantumsummers, where is the TODO list ?
+20:26 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, I better set an example ... I'll aim for next Sat/Sun 
+20:26 <@quantumsummers> if we can just get a draft started we can all pitch in a bit I think
+20:26 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: thank you sir. look forward to reading
+20:26 <@quantumsummers> dabbott its on coalesce
+20:27 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, if its too long, you can edit it down
+20:27 <@quantumsummers> not me!!
+20:27 <@quantumsummers> this will go to sflc
+20:27 <@NeddySeagoon> or Karen ..
+20:27 <@quantumsummers> she wants to have a basis in historical fact to aid the argument
+20:27 <@tsunam> *nods*
+20:27 <@tsunam> makes sense
+20:27 <@quantumsummers> so it doesn't need to be perfect prose
+20:28 <@NeddySeagoon> I understand.
+20:28  * quantumsummers needs to go afk for 3 mins
+20:28 <@NeddySeagoon> OK CPA quotes
+20:28 <@tsunam> she really needs the history to form a cohesive argument in otherwords
+20:28 <@quantumsummers> sorry, wife, roasting chicken...
+20:29 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, Rotating Sidebar can you do a status update while quantumsummers is afk ?
+20:29 <@robbat2|na> hopefully going live this coming week
+20:29 <@robbat2|na> on one of the new atoms
+20:29 <@tsunam> I've got another 15-20 minutes or so (looking at a house at 1)
+20:29 <@tsunam> robbat2|na: good news =)
+20:29 <@NeddySeagoon> is it on a test box somewhere ?
+20:30 <@robbat2|na> not accessible atm
+20:30 <@NeddySeagoon> Cash Sponsors Policy - no change.  quantumsummers was going to run it by SFLC 
+20:30 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott Larry The Cow Graphics Contest
+20:31 -!- quantumsummers|c [~msummers@173-22-132-8.client.mchsi.com] has joined #gentoo-trustees
+20:31 <@dabbott> Waiting on Gentoo Store outcome
+20:31 <@quantumsummers> its going to be a bit longer than 3 mins, 
+20:31 <@quantumsummers> can you guys skip the cpa & come back to it 
+20:31 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, whats the issue with the Store ?
+20:31 <@quantumsummers> I'll read along on >
+20:31 < quantumsummers|c> this box
+20:32 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, we already did
+20:32 < quantumsummers|c> kk
+20:33 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 4 Open Bugs
+20:34 <@NeddySeagoon> bug  285520
+20:34 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/285520 "Copyright year in file headers should be updated when file is edited."; Portage Development, Repoman; NEW; neddyseagoon@g.o:dev-portage@g.o
+20:35 <@NeddySeagoon> it looks like this bug needs to be reassiged to a group than can fix it
+20:35 <@robbat2|na> we dealt with that one already
+20:35 <@robbat2|na> see the last comment on it
+20:35 <@robbat2|na> per a prior meeting
+20:35 <@NeddySeagoon> Should it be closed ?
+20:36 <@robbat2|na> no, because echangelog still isn't changing the stuff in files/ yet
+20:36 <@robbat2|na> but it just needs somebody to update echangelog
+20:36 <@NeddySeagoon> who is that somebody ?
+20:36 <@robbat2|na> dev-portage team maintains gentoolkit*
+20:36 <@robbat2|na> and thus echangelog
+20:37 <@robbat2|na> I say we just take trustees off the CC
+20:37 <@robbat2|na> and leave it to be implemented
+20:37 <@NeddySeagoon> I don't see them on the bug - am I missing something ?
+20:37 <@robbat2|na> it's on the CC list
+20:38 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll take us off the CC:
+20:39 <@NeddySeagoon> errr ... I can't buzie won't let me log in
+20:39 <@robbat2|na> i'll do it
+20:39 <@NeddySeagoon> ta
+20:39 <@NeddySeagoon> bug 293657
+20:40 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/293657 "domains gentoo.cc"; Website www.gentoo.org, Other; NEW; jodok@batlogg.com:infra-bugs@g.o
+20:40 <@NeddySeagoon> looks like that done too
+20:41 <@NeddySeagoon> bug 33740
+20:41 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/33740 "Reply address and fax-phone number missing"; Gentoo Infrastructure, Forums; NEW; bugs-gentoo@kotiaho.net:trustees@g.o
+20:41 <@NeddySeagoon> Should we run that past SFLC ?  It won't get fixed until we move to phpbb 3 anyway]
+20:42 <@NeddySeagoon> bug 285549
+20:42 <@robbat2|na> i think we can just turn off the COPPA option entirely
+20:42 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/285549 "Add #gentoo-ir (Iran) to IRC channels list"; Website www.gentoo.org, Other; NEW; belendax@gmail.com:trustees@g.o
+20:43 <@robbat2|na> that was waiting for legal input
+20:43 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na does Canada have a COPPA equivelent ?
+20:43 <@robbat2|na> NeddySeagoon, none
+20:43 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, did 285549 get to SFLC ?
+20:44 <@robbat2|na> i don't know, that's quantumsummers territory
+20:44 <@robbat2|na> but my comment there was after a prior meeting
+20:44 <@NeddySeagoon> ok
+20:45 <@NeddySeagoon> bug 296766
+20:45 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/296766 "Corrections to corporation filing needed as of 2009/12/13"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; NEW; robbat2@g.o:trustees@g.o
+20:45 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, is this next weekend ?
+20:45 <@tsunam> yes
+20:46 <@tsunam> I'll confirm everyone's information next week as well
+20:46 <@tsunam> so look for that email
+20:46 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, OK
+20:46 <@NeddySeagoon> bug 302542
+20:46 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/302542 "domain gentoo.org.il"; Website www.gentoo.org, Other; NEW; spatz@g.o:trustees@g.o
+20:46 <@tsunam> <--is now out sorry guys :(. I'll review the rest of the logs when I get back later this afternoon
+20:47 <@NeddySeagoon> Do we want to collect and maintain domains like this ?
+20:47 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, have fun looking at houses
+20:48 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, dabbott ^^
+20:48 <@dabbott> its up to infra, I see no need for it
+20:48 <@robbat2|na> that's really something that we need to come up with a policy on
+20:48 <@robbat2|na> because it's a mishmash
+20:48 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, we need to fund an ever increasing set of registrations
+20:49 <@robbat2|na> as trustees, we've previously approved domains, as long as they didn't require crazy costs
+20:49 <@NeddySeagoon> I'm not keen to take on that commitment if we will not use the domains
+20:49 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, why ?
+20:49 <@robbat2|na> NeddySeagoon, i'm just saying what's been done before
+20:50 <@robbat2|na> not that I agree with it, but I see the question coming up more and more
+20:50 <@NeddySeagoon> If we have a use, or potential use ... no problem but we should drop domains we will not use
+20:51 <@NeddySeagoon> Do we want a vote on the list ?
+20:51 <@robbat2|na> probably wise
+20:51 <@robbat2|na> ask for use cases as well
+20:51 <@dabbott> do we need a form, and then take a vote once the form is submitted
+20:51 <@robbat2|na> because the only one I know of is redirecting to a specific language variant of the website
+20:52  * NeddySeagoon Actioned to propose motion on the list 
+20:53 <@NeddySeagoon> bug 304853
+20:53 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/304853 "Not possible to purchase Larry the cow clothing"; User Relations, User/Developer Issues; NEW; mihel@hotbox.ru:trustees@g.o
+20:53 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, how about a post on the forums to try to get users interested ?
+20:53 <@NeddySeagoon> in the graphics ...
+20:54 <@dabbott> we will need to get control of the store as musikc is retiring afaik
+20:54 <@dabbott> I wanted to add the winning graphics to the store
+20:54 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, you don't have the passwords ?
+20:54 <@dabbott> no
+20:54 <@robbat2|na> NeddySeagoon, we didn't get an answer re COPPA above, I just noted that Canada doesn't have any COPPA-like laws
+20:54 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, musikc is on OFTC
+20:55 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, we need quantumsummers to tell us if its got to the SFLC
+20:55  * quantumsummers|c is back, sorry
+20:56 < quantumsummers|c> the ir channel?
+20:56 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, did the COPPA bug get to the SFLC ?
+20:56 <@dabbott> NeddySeagoon, could you talk to her I really don't know her that well
+20:56 < quantumsummers|c> I thnk so
+20:56 <@robbat2|na> -ir channel and is COPPA needed?
+20:56 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, sure
+20:56 < quantumsummers|c> I emailed
+20:57 < quantumsummers|c> haven'theard back about those, will follow uo on  mon
+20:57 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, thanks
+20:57 < quantumsummers|c> sorry for dropping that one (two)
+20:57 <@NeddySeagoon> bug 296492    	
+20:57 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/296492 ""Agenda" links are wrong"; Website www.gentoo.org, Other; ASSI; tove@g.o:trustees@g.o
+20:58 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, you volunteered :)
+20:58 <@robbat2|na> NeddySeagoon, refresh your list
+20:58 <@robbat2|na> i just updated the whiteboard on everything we've talked about here
+20:59 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, ok ... thats all the bugs
+20:59 <@robbat2|na> no, you missed locked bug 291404
+20:59 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, I can't see it, as I can't get logged in
+21:00 <@dabbott> I have not seen him around lately
+21:00 <@NeddySeagoon> bug 291404
+21:00 <@robbat2|na> it's locked. willikins will not divulge it
+21:00 <@robbat2|na> I think we can probably close it for now
+21:00 <@NeddySeagoon> heh
+21:00 <@robbat2|na> unless userrel has any further for it
+21:00 <@robbat2|na> i'll just ask them to CC us again if they need us
+21:00 <@NeddySeagoon> ok
+21:01 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, Certified Public Accountant (Quotes) ... back to your stuff
+21:01 <@quantumsummers> ok. 
+21:02 <@quantumsummers> heard back from the cpa recommended by sclf, was more than the quote from local by 400-500
+21:02 <@quantumsummers> way to oexpensive
+21:02 <@quantumsummers> its like these peeps think we are huge or something
+21:02 <@quantumsummers> either that or its just fscking expensive
+21:03 <@NeddySeagoon> yep ... did you explain our size to the SLFC peeps ?
+21:03 <@quantumsummers> now. I do know we can get filing assistance for ~$1000 per year
+21:03 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: yes. its paypal that messes with things. they appears to base things on the number of transactions
+21:04 <@NeddySeagoon> heh - and we get spam transactions.  Lets stick with local then
+21:04 <@quantumsummers> In general, and if we can produce our own quarterlys, we should be ok without full cpa support
+21:04 <@quantumsummers> just use one for filing
+21:05 <@quantumsummers> if we make <$25K/year we just have to send in a post card
+21:05 <@NeddySeagoon> Can we do our own quarterlys ?
+21:05 <@quantumsummers> Yes, tsunam already produces them.
+21:05 <@NeddySeagoon> that sounds like it will do for a year or two
+21:06 <@robbat2|na> I think we need to get better at producing them, but that should be good
+21:06 <@quantumsummers> just might need a few tweaks, and we need to archive the raw data
+21:06  * robbat2|na has an idea in that regard, but not enough time
+21:06 <@NeddySeagoon> Do we need a motion on the CPA to engage right now ?
+21:06 <@robbat2|na> archive and make sure we keep accurate totals
+21:07 <@quantumsummers> yes
+21:07 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I do not think so
+21:07 <@NeddySeagoon> ok, we can keep it in the agenda
+21:07 <@quantumsummers> I would like more time to find better support. Fall back to local in the event of needing more assistance
+21:08 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, ok. Don't pay for it out of your own funds though
+21:08 <@dabbott> or a community member that can help out
+21:08 <@quantumsummers> community member would be great
+21:08 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, that would be good
+21:09 <@dabbott> we need a better way of asking for help
+21:09 <@NeddySeagoon> Can we get a help wanted on the front page ?
+21:09 <@quantumsummers> suspect that is possible
+21:10 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, as you are in PR, can you look at the ^^
+21:10 <@NeddySeagoon> that*
+21:10 <@dabbott> sure quantumsummers do you want to come up with something I can xml it etc
+21:10 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, 501(c)(3) registration status
+21:10 <@quantumsummers> I already talked about 501c3 earlier. the tasks, etc
+21:11 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, ok
+21:11 <@dabbott> quantumsummers, do you want the bios mailed to you
+21:11 <@quantumsummers> dabbott: hmm, sure
+21:11 <@quantumsummers> dabbott that will be fine
+21:11 <@quantumsummers> or just put it in the todo
+21:11 <@dabbott> ok
+21:12 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 5 
+21:13 <@NeddySeagoon> We should do most of this stuff in email ... meetings are already too long. Then just bring them here to air decisons
+21:13 <@NeddySeagoon> do we want to move this stuff to mail now ?
+21:13 <@quantumsummers> Item 7 I think we should decide now
+21:14 <@quantumsummers> the rest is fine over mail
+21:14 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, dabbott ^^
+21:14 <@dabbott> New Business is fine by email
+21:14 <@robbat2|na> i think all of 5 we can do pretty quick, i'll give a run through them quickly here if there are no objections
+21:15 <@NeddySeagoon> ok.
+21:15 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, on you go
+21:15 <@robbat2|na> 1. amazon referral fees: nice idea, but we have nowhere to put it in Gentoo, not without modifying upstream code
+21:15 <@NeddySeagoon> thats out then
+21:15 <@dabbott> +1
+21:16 <@robbat2|na> 2. education request for US forces: ship a drive with snapshots and all the distfiles for those snapshots
+21:16 <@quantumsummers> I have recommended a path for this
+21:16 <@robbat2|na> 3. Special Project Support/Equipment Request: I think it might need some editing, but +1 on the idea
+21:17 <@NeddySeagoon> It doesn't matter that its for US forces.  Its a bandwidth impoverished user group
+21:17 <@quantumsummers> I like the idea of doing things like this
+21:17 <@robbat2|na> 4. Donation Thank You Email: +10 on the idea, but move to list for related discussion of sponsor acknowledgement
+21:17 <@NeddySeagoon> ok
+21:17 <@robbat2|na> 5. Increase Foundation Involvement: move to list
+21:18 <@robbat2|na> 6. Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA): open a bug, forward to legal
+21:18 <@dabbott> I can do Donation Thank You Emails
+21:18 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, we have a snail mail address
+21:18 <@robbat2|na> dabbott, open it on the mailing list, I've got a related discussion, but it's NOT short
+21:18 <@dabbott> ok
+21:19 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, is that it ?
+21:20 <@robbat2|na> that's all of it
+21:20 -!- quantumsummers|c [~msummers@173-22-132-8.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds]
+21:20 <@robbat2|na> from new business anyway
+21:20 <@NeddySeagoon> 6. Membership Applications none
+21:20 <@NeddySeagoon> 7. Advertising Requests
+21:20 <@quantumsummers> Motion: deny request
+21:20 <@robbat2|na> quantumsummers, for #2/bandwidth-improvished groups, maybe put your idea/path on the list too
+21:20 <@robbat2|na> seconded
+21:20 <@quantumsummers> robbat2|na: ok
+21:20 <@NeddySeagoon> Pokerlistings.com ...
+21:21 <@quantumsummers> I vote no to pokerlistings
+21:21 <@dabbott> no also
+21:21 <@robbat2|na> vote: denied, unless they can show that they use Gentoo in a significent way
+21:21 <@NeddySeagoon> Does not meet the 'large users' qualification. 
+21:21 <@NeddySeagoon> I vote no
+21:21 <@dabbott> robbat2|na, said I missed 2 items
+21:22 <@robbat2|na> dabbott, ah, right, one sec, after this vote
+21:22 <@NeddySeagoon> we have 4 Nos ... moion to deny carried
+21:22 <@NeddySeagoon> motion*
+21:23 <@robbat2|na> ok, the two missing items:
+21:23 <@robbat2|na> 1. may 4th mail forwarded from pr@, about sponsorship from webhosting search
+21:23 <@robbat2|na> I think we should see what they are offering, hardware or cash
+21:23 <@robbat2|na> and proceed as before from there
+21:24 <@robbat2|na> i'll take that mail
+21:24 <@quantumsummers> +1
+21:24 <@dabbott> +1
+21:24 <@NeddySeagoon> +1
+21:24 <@robbat2|na> 2. mail from openclothes.org re logo usage on merchandise
+21:25 <@NeddySeagoon> geoip openclothes.org
+21:25 <@quantumsummers> We need to know if they are legit first. Then, if they are its a neat idea to consider
+21:25 <@NeddySeagoon> we need to know where they are too
+21:26 <@robbat2|na> ok, who wants to talk to them? somebody who did previous merchandise stuff?
+21:26 <@NeddySeagoon> Created On:06-Aug-2007 01:13:03 UTC
+21:26 <@quantumsummers> my plate is a tad full atm ...
+21:27 <@dabbott> robbat2|na, forward me the email i will talk to them
+21:27 <@quantumsummers> thank you dabbott
+21:27 <@robbat2|na> dabbott, it was sent to trustees@ on may 13th
+21:27 <@NeddySeagoon> thanks dabbott 
+21:27 <@robbat2|na> Message-ID: <AANLkTilat0gccMPNgwxbDRtBbB1t_jdziEpkjTq_Tjd5@mail.gmail.com>
+21:28 <@NeddySeagoon> Item 1 Date of Next Meeting - 20th Jun 2010 19:00 UTC ..
+21:28 <@NeddySeagoon> Thats the 3rd Sunday in June tsunam 
+21:28 <@quantumsummers> dabbott, please ask them to show their irs status
+21:28 <@quantumsummers> we need to validate them completely
+21:29 <@robbat2|na> NeddySeagoon, +1, i'll be here
+21:29 <@quantumsummers> if they have a temporary letter of 501c3 status from the IRS, we can consider things
+21:29 <@quantumsummers> +1 on the next meeting date
+21:29 <@dabbott> next meeting date is fine here
+21:30 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 9  Any other business ... 
+21:30 <@robbat2|na> none
+21:30 <@NeddySeagoon> None from me
+21:30 <@dabbott> nooone here
+21:30 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers,  ?
+21:30 <@quantumsummers> none, save to say, please check the todo list so we can get those last few items knocked out
+21:30 <@robbat2|na> remind us via email please?
+21:31 <@dabbott> https://www.icoalesce.com/projects/gentoo/
+21:31 <@NeddySeagoon> heh
+21:31 <@robbat2|na> or IRC, relentlessly ;-)
+21:31 <@quantumsummers> ok
+21:31 <@NeddySeagoon> Item 10 Responsibilities 
+21:31 <@quantumsummers> summary financials for past 3 years, if possible for entire history
+21:31 <@quantumsummers> remove the foundation stuff referencing 501c6 and dev rewards
+21:31 <@quantumsummers> short paragraph detailing time table of events for foundation, in terms of what went wrong with previous mis-management, etc -- for sflc-Karen
+21:31 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll post the log
+21:31 <@dabbott> I will do the motions
+21:32 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, I think you also offered the only email too
+21:32 <@robbat2|na> afk for 5, door
+21:32 <@dabbott> yep
+21:32 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 11  Open Floor
+21:33 <@dabbott> NeddySeagoon, can you add the link to the log http://www.gentoo.org/foundation/en/minutes/2010/index.xml
+21:33 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, yep
+21:34  * NeddySeagoon bangs his gavel and declares the meeting closed
diff --git a/2010/20100620_trustees_meeting_log.txt b/2010/20100620_trustees_meeting_log.txt
new file mode 100644
index 0000000..af2b66f
--- /dev/null
+++ b/2010/20100620_trustees_meeting_log.txt
@@ -0,0 +1,386 @@
+20:00  * NeddySeagoon bangs his gavel to call the meeting to order
+20:00 <@NeddySeagoon> I'm here and logging - roll call
+20:00 < tsunam> here
+20:00 <@quantumsummers> HERE
+20:00 <@NeddySeagoon> openclothes, the agenda link is in /topic
+20:00 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, ?
+20:00 <@NeddySeagoon> I think robbat2 is away
+20:01 <@quantumsummers> YEP
+20:01 <@dabbott> hi all
+20:01 <@quantumsummers> whoops
+20:01 < openclothes> Thank you
+20:01 <@NeddySeagoon> We have a quorum .. lets start
+20:02 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda item 3 ... 
+20:02 <@NeddySeagoon> Request to license the Gentoo Logo  
+20:02 < openclothes> Have you reviewed the openclothes.org web site?
+20:03 <@NeddySeagoon> I don't see why this can't happen under our standard agreements
+20:03 < tsunam> i would agree NeddySeagoon 
+20:03 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I agree
+20:04 -!- Guest77321 [~mike@c-71-192-166-249.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined #gentoo-trustees
+20:04 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, ^^  we are having a vote
+20:04 <@quantumsummers> openclothes: is there some form of profit share that goes to gentoo foundation?
+20:04 <@dabbott> I agree also with NeddySeagoon 
+20:05 < openclothes> The purpose is to provide a means of donations to the recipient of your choice.
+20:05 < openclothes> The Gentoo Foundation or the Free Software Foundation would be expected.
+20:05 <@NeddySeagoon> openclothes, make us an offer of a percentage to trustees at gentoo dot org   We can do the rest by email   You have our agreement subject to sorting out the odds and ends
+20:06 < openclothes> Thank you
+20:06 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, Treasuers Report help over the AGM in April
+20:07 < Guest77321> Hello Trustees - David, Roy, Joshua, Robin, Matthew -- I'm Mike, the guy who inquired regarding "Bookeeper, Accountant, or CPA"
+20:07 < tsunam> I have it complete but I'd like to review it once more before I forward it to the trustee's alias for approval
+20:07 <@quantumsummers> Guest77321: Hi Mike.
+20:07 < Guest77321> Just stopping by to introduce myself as David Abbott suggested
+20:07 <@dabbott> Hi Mike
+20:07 <@NeddySeagoon> Guest77321, welcome Mike
+20:07 < tsunam> It's been a little while since I last looked at it
+20:07 < tsunam> Guest77321: hi mike
+20:08 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, can someone help with the review ?
+20:08 <@quantumsummers> Guest77321: Mike, you will be receiving an email from me in the next day or two.
+20:08 < tsunam> NeddySeagoon: it'd be as easy to have everyone review it
+20:08 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, send it to the alias for review then
+20:08 < tsunam> NeddySeagoon: will do
+20:08 < Guest77321> quantumsummers: very good, will be on the lookout.
+20:09 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, Cafepress Revenue ... is that split out in the report ?
+20:09 < tsunam> it's not been accounted for in the report as I've not transfered the money to our bank accounts, nor have I logged in.
+20:09 < tsunam> have not talked to christina about the account
+20:10 <@quantumsummers> we need to get that taken care of.
+20:10 < tsunam> yes we do
+20:10 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, she was going to pass on access details.  We need to know, as its important to keep mony in the right FY
+20:10 <@quantumsummers> tsunam: can you give dabbott her phone# or do you prefer to handle things/
+20:10 <@NeddySeagoon> money*
+20:10 <@quantumsummers> ?
+20:10 < tsunam> quantumsummers: I'm writing an email to her now
+20:11 <@quantumsummers> ok, thanks
+20:11 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam,  Updating Registration in NM.   It was still out of date on the web when I checked this morning
+20:11 <@NeddySeagoon> (I needed the link for my new employer)
+20:12 <@quantumsummers> its due July 1 I think
+20:12 <@quantumsummers> we have the form, tsunam & i
+20:12 < tsunam> quantumsummers: july 31st
+20:12 <@quantumsummers> FROM mR cHEW
+20:12 <@quantumsummers> tsunam: ah, even better
+20:12 < tsunam> its due 30 days after the end of the fiscal year
+20:12  * quantumsummers notes that
+20:12 < tsunam> but yes mr chew sent us the document mostly filled out
+20:12 <@NeddySeagoon> is it going to be on time ?
+20:12 <@quantumsummers> yse
+20:12 < tsunam> yep
+20:12 <@NeddySeagoon> thats the right answer!
+20:13 < tsunam> as always there will be a 10 dollar filing fee
+20:13 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers  SFLC Update
+20:13 < tsunam> so for that annual which we can't make changes, then a second for the changes. Be 20 total
+20:13 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, I suppose Mr Chew will have a fee too
+20:13 < tsunam> actually no, and if he does...we can file directly
+20:14 <@NeddySeagoon> Not even a retainer ?
+20:14 < tsunam> nope, it actually should be part of being the RA
+20:14 <@NeddySeagoon> Sounds good
+20:14 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers  SFLC Update
+20:15 <@quantumsummers> sflc has been unreachable for 6 weeks now. I have no idea why, so I suspect I need to email or call the manager we talked with at the start 
+20:16 <@quantumsummers> regardless, I have some input from lawyer colleagues on the cash sponsors policy
+20:16 < tsunam> that's a bit concerning
+20:16 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, yeah thats a pretty long vacation by US standards
+20:16 <@quantumsummers> yes it is
+20:16 <@quantumsummers> not sure where karen is.
+20:17 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, we'll get the cash sponsors stuff in a minute
+20:17 <@quantumsummers> she does not return emails or voicemail as of today
+20:17 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, gibe the manager a call or email next week then
+20:17 <@quantumsummers> planning on it
+20:17 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers,  Accountant Ad Response.   
+20:18 <@quantumsummers> ok. so talked with Josh about this. and have a nice plan
+20:18 < tsunam> well hopefully a nice plan =)
+20:18 <@quantumsummers> main things remaining are budgets for 1,3,5,  years
+20:18 <@quantumsummers> yes, we have hope :D
+20:18 < tsunam> which quantumsummers has an idea about as well
+20:19 <@quantumsummers> yes. I will email all details most likely tomorrow
+20:19 <@quantumsummers> baisc idea is 1,3,5 year budgets for 3 income senarios
+20:20 <@NeddySeagoon> that sounds like a lot of work for an Inc our size
+20:20 <@quantumsummers> it would be helpful if anyone has an idea for a budgeted program, now would be the time to mention it (or reply to the email)
+20:21 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: there are few budget items at this time, so there is a lot of room for creativity
+20:21 <@NeddySeagoon> I would like us to find jobs for all the applicants. We are all volunteers and there is plenty to do
+20:22 <@quantumsummers> also, we need some revenue forecasts
+20:22 <@quantumsummers> the plan is to split the work amongst the new volunteers
+20:22 < Guest77321> quantumsummers: when you say "budgeted program" do you mean software for budgeting?
+20:22 <@NeddySeagoon> we can extrapolate from the past for a lower limit
+20:23 -!- openclothes [~quassel@75-145-118-233-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.]
+20:23 <@quantumsummers> Guest77321: no, I meant a program in the sense of an activity of the foundation
+20:23 < Guest77321> quantumsummers: k, understand
+20:24 <@quantumsummers> there are 6 respondants to our solicitation for assistance
+20:24 <@quantumsummers> that is plenty to accomplish what we need and then some, even with only one hour each per week
+20:25 <@dabbott> quantumsummers: is the mail alias set up?
+20:25 <@quantumsummers> we also, as discussed with tsunam, need to prepare a nice formal financial history report
+20:25 <@quantumsummers> dabbott: yes it is, we are all (trustees) on it
+20:26 <@quantumsummers> we'll get the volunteers that accept the mission on there next week
+20:26 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, we need to get the 6 respondends on it too.  With their permission of course
+20:27 <@quantumsummers> yes, the email will explain thngs
+20:27 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, how far back does the history need to go ?
+20:27 <@quantumsummers> 3 years min
+20:27 <@quantumsummers> I would like to see back to 04, but that may be tough
+20:27 < tsunam> which luckily we have in our quarterly reports , but will still take effort to make into a report
+20:27 <@quantumsummers> yep
+20:27 <@quantumsummers> 3 years is good
+20:27 <@NeddySeagoon> Hmm - that could be a struggle.  We didn't get much history when we took over in 2008
+20:28 < tsunam> financials were a bit better 
+20:28 <@NeddySeagoon> ok
+20:28 < tsunam> as corey kept the finances better then the rest
+20:28 <@NeddySeagoon> Can this topic be completed on the ml ?
+20:28 < tsunam> however anything before/related to before mid 04 is a miss
+20:28 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, thats when the foundation was created 
+20:28 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: yes 
+20:29 <@NeddySeagoon> ok, moving on
+20:29 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, 501(c)(3) registration status 
+20:29 <@quantumsummers> 501c3 is basically the same as last time given sflc absense
+20:29 <@NeddySeagoon> welocme to the team Guest77321 
+20:29 <@NeddySeagoon> ok
+20:30 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers,  TODO List Progress
+20:30 < Guest77321> NeddySeagoon: thx
+20:30 <@quantumsummers> I am not sure if this refers to things on hte todo list or whether its up  or ....?
+20:31 <@quantumsummers> dabbott: ?
+20:31 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, I think it was gettin gthe TODO list into the web app
+20:31 <@dabbott> this is the todo list on the web app
+20:32 <@dabbott> is everything completed?
+20:32 <@quantumsummers> ok, we have received the paragraph from neddy
+20:32 <@quantumsummers> thanks NeddySeagoon, well written piece
+20:32 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, thanks
+20:32 <@quantumsummers> still need bio from tsunam, dabbott, & robbat2|na
+20:32 <@quantumsummers> have an old one for NeddySeagoon, and mine
+20:33  * quantumsummers updates the TODO
+20:33 <@dabbott> mine should be thier
+20:33 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, Mine hasn't changed much
+20:33 <@quantumsummers> dabbott: yes, I see uit
+20:33 <@quantumsummers> sorry ...
+20:33 < tsunam> I'll need to do mine, when we talk this week quantumsummers remind me
+20:33 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: feel free to modify, I can wait a  it
+20:33 <@quantumsummers> tsunam: no prob
+20:33 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, it should be in your CV
+20:34 <@quantumsummers> stilll need to remove the c6 stuff from the site
+20:34 <@quantumsummers> dcma is same again due to sflc.
+20:34 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, Rotating Sidebar  ... I know its close.   We'll carry this over to the next meeting
+20:34 <@dabbott> quantumsummers: I lost the link to the web app again
+20:35 <@quantumsummers> I can start of the changes for the c6 part
+20:35 <@quantumsummers> dabbott: https://www.icoalesce.com
+20:35 <@dabbott> ok thanks :)
+20:35 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I can speak about the sidebar a bit
+20:35 <@quantumsummers> its up for testing, and working as expected
+20:36 <@quantumsummers> I bet it will be fully implemented in <30days
+20:36 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers,  thanks
+20:36 <@quantumsummers> my pleasure
+20:36  * NeddySeagoon Cash Sponsors Policy ... quantumsummers you have some legal feedback ?
+20:37 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: yes. for the moment it is sufficient. We will need to make some slight changes (clarifications) when we receive our new irs status
+20:37 <@quantumsummers> main thing is the language gives us full discretion
+20:37 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, so I can put it into foundation webspace as is ?
+20:38 <@quantumsummers> yes.
+20:38 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, that was the idea of a policy
+20:38 <@NeddySeagoon> ok, I'll do that
+20:38 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott ... Larry The Cow Graphics Contest
+20:39 <@dabbott> Currently doing the screenshot contest when that is done start it
+20:39 <@dabbott> the store should be sorted by then
+20:39 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, sounds good - we don't want to split the artistic talent
+20:39 <@quantumsummers> :)
+20:40 <@NeddySeagoon> Education Support Request ... Sergeant First Class Stephen M. Vogler II   This has gone quiet.
+20:40 < tsunam> that it has
+20:40 <@dabbott> do we need a motion for the Cash Sponsors Policy
+20:40 <@quantumsummers> this would be contingent on the next piece
+20:41 <@quantumsummers> dabbott: sure.
+20:41 < tsunam> NeddySeagoon: I think we should close the issue with the request as there's been no further request for an update
+20:41 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, Sounds good to me
+20:41 <@quantumsummers> @trustees: motion: approve cash sponsor policy from NeddySeagoon
+20:41 <@dabbott> I third
+20:42 <@dabbott> yes
+20:42 < tsunam> yes
+20:42 <@NeddySeagoon> I vote yes
+20:42 <@quantumsummers> carried
+20:42 <@quantumsummers> (yes from me)
+20:42 <@NeddySeagoon> Motion to close the Education Support Request 
+20:42 <@quantumsummers> on closing the support request, I think we should email the guy if we approve this item
+20:43 <@NeddySeagoon> agreed
+20:43 < tsunam> that would be the appropriate thing to do
+20:43 <@quantumsummers> I second the motion
+20:43 <@NeddySeagoon> Motion to close the Education Support Request with an email stating approval
+20:43 <@dabbott> yes
+20:43 < tsunam> yes for closing
+20:43 <@NeddySeagoon> yes
+20:43 <@quantumsummers> yes
+20:43 <@quantumsummers> carried
+20:43 <@dabbott> who will send the mail?
+20:44 <@quantumsummers> I can
+20:44 <@dabbott> thanks
+20:44 <@quantumsummers> np
+20:44 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers,   Special Project Support/Equipment Request    this is the process I think
+20:44 <@quantumsummers> yes
+20:45 <@quantumsummers> I think this is fairly complete, as a framework for accepting requests
+20:45 <@quantumsummers> the basic policy is standard across many orgs. (My wife helped write it & she does this stuff for a livig)
+20:46 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, I'm sure I emailed a few comments not long after your posted to the alias ... did you get them ?
+20:46 <@NeddySeagoon> There was nothing major
+20:47 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I will have to look. 
+20:47 <@quantumsummers> I went out of country for a while, sorry if I missed things
+20:47 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, I think they are in ... local currency was one
+20:48 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I can review & re-post for comments.
+20:48  * NeddySeagoon proposes a motion to adopt Funding Request Policies -- DRAFT as a formal document.
+20:48 <@quantumsummers> we could take this to the alias for final
+20:49 <@dabbott> quantumsummers: I can guide xml it
+20:49 <@NeddySeagoon> lets use it and fine tue it if there are bugs
+20:49 <@NeddySeagoon> tune*
+20:49 <@quantumsummers> dabbott: please, if you have time. Thanks!!
+20:49 <@dabbott> np
+20:49 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: ok by me
+20:49 <@NeddySeagoon> is there a seconder ?
+20:49 <@dabbott> we can do the rest by mail and vote next month
+20:50 <@dabbott> seconded
+20:50 <@quantumsummers> aye from me
+20:50 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, you want us to vote on the guidexml version ?
+20:50 <@dabbott> I quess when we want to make it official
+20:50 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, OK ... motion withdrawn
+20:50 <@quantumsummers> I think we want to make it official now
+20:51 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 4 Open Bugs
+20:51 <@dabbott> yes make it official now
+20:51 <@quantumsummers> ok, the motion has been seconded.
+20:51 <@quantumsummers> please vote
+20:51 <@dabbott> yes
+20:51 <@quantumsummers> aye from me
+20:51 <@NeddySeagoon> yes
+20:51 <@quantumsummers> tsunam: ?
+20:51 < tsunam> aye
+20:51 <@quantumsummers> carried
+20:51 <@NeddySeagoon> I with draw the withdrawal :)
+20:51 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 4 Open Bugs
+20:52 <@quantumsummers> lolz
+20:52 <@NeddySeagoon> !bug 33740
+20:52 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/33740 "Reply address and fax-phone number missing"; Gentoo Infrastructure, Forums; ASSI; bugs-gentoo@kotiaho.net:trustees@g.o
+20:52 <@quantumsummers> a fax might be tricky
+20:52 <@quantumsummers> unless we have infra setup hylafax or soething
+20:52 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, it has to be Wane Chews fax
+20:53 <@quantumsummers> solid
+20:53 <@quantumsummers> tsunam: is that in the doc we got?
+20:53  * quantumsummers looks
+20:53 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, robbat2 says we don't need COPPA as the forums are in Canada.  Its not going to get fixed until we get to phpbb3 anyway
+20:54 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: kk
+20:54 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, can you run it by SFLC please
+20:55 <@NeddySeagoon> !bug 208353
+20:55 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/208353 "retire: Grant Goodyear (g2boojum)"; Gentoo Developers/Staff, Retirement; NEW; g2boojum@g.o:retirement@g.o
+20:55 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: yes
+20:55 <@NeddySeagoon> Thats new - we should email Grant
+20:56 <@quantumsummers> retirement for inactivity for 2+ years
+20:56 < tsunam> yep that is new
+20:56 <@quantumsummers> saw that come across several weeks back
+20:56 <@NeddySeagoon> !bug 285549
+20:56 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/285549 "Add #gentoo-ir (Iran) to IRC channels list"; Website www.gentoo.org, Other; NEW; belendax@gmail.com:trustees@g.o
+20:57 <@quantumsummers> sflc has been asked
+20:57 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, another one for legal
+20:57 <@quantumsummers> no reply
+20:57 <@quantumsummers> yep, will ping 'em hard next week
+20:57 <@NeddySeagoon> !bug 296766
+20:57 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/296766 "Corrections to corporation filing needed as of 2009/12/13"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; ASSI; robbat2@g.o:trustees@g.o
+20:57 <@quantumsummers> in progress
+20:57 <@quantumsummers> going well
+20:58 <@NeddySeagoon> Do we need to vote on paying the fees ?
+20:58 <@quantumsummers> we can, but its moot, we are required to pay
+20:58 <@NeddySeagoon> lets not set a time wasting precedent then
+20:59 <@quantumsummers> +1
+20:59 <@NeddySeagoon> !bug 302542
+20:59 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/302542 "domain gentoo.org.il"; Website www.gentoo.org, Other; ASSI; spatz@g.o:trustees@g.o
+20:59 <@quantumsummers> Motion: Do not purchase additional domin, and close bug as WONTFIX or whatever
+20:59 <@NeddySeagoon> My view is that we don't want to collect domain names we will never use
+20:59 <@NeddySeagoon> Seconded
+21:00 <@quantumsummers> Vote:
+21:00 < tsunam> yes
+21:00 <@NeddySeagoon> Aye
+21:00 <@quantumsummers> aye
+21:00 <@dabbott> yes
+21:00 <@quantumsummers> carried
+21:00 <@quantumsummers> can someone with access update the bug or I can later?
+21:00 <@NeddySeagoon> Can we set that as a policy too ?
+21:00 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: we sure can
+21:01 <@dabbott> we may want to ask robbat2|na he may have some input, I can add it to the agenda
+21:01 <@quantumsummers> Domain Acquisition Policy: We have plenty at this point, no more unless sufficient reason can be demonstrated. Subject to trustees discrestion
+21:01 <@NeddySeagoon> I've put the motion in the bug and closed it
+21:02 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: thanks
+21:02 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, sounds good
+21:02 <@dabbott> yep
+21:02 <@quantumsummers> I bet I could make that one sentence
+21:02 <@NeddySeagoon> !bug 304853    	
+21:02 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/304853 "Not possible to purchase Larry the cow clothing"; User Relations, User/Developer Issues; ASSI; mihel@hotbox.ru:trustees@g.o
+21:03 <@dabbott> in the works :)
+21:03 <@NeddySeagoon> Thats waiting on the artwork contest
+21:03 <@quantumsummers> that one needs updating with the new info dabbott, for those following the bug
+21:03 <@dabbott> ok will do
+21:03 <@quantumsummers> dabbott: any eta for the new contest?
+21:03 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 6 Membership Applications
+21:03 <@dabbott> when we have access to the store
+21:04 <@quantumsummers> Motion: approve jlec (Justin Lecher) as foundation member
+21:04 <@NeddySeagoon> Oops - I've skipped 5 ... we willcome back to 5
+21:04 <@quantumsummers> he is a dev
+21:04 <@NeddySeagoon> seconded
+21:04 <@quantumsummers> Voter:
+21:04 < tsunam> yes
+21:04 <@NeddySeagoon> aye
+21:04 <@dabbott> yes
+21:04 <@quantumsummers> aye
+21:04 <@quantumsummers> carried
+21:05 <@quantumsummers> I will email Justin to good news
+21:05 <@quantumsummers> *the
+21:05 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll send he email as he has been writing to me
+21:05 <@quantumsummers> ah, very good
+21:05 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 5 New Business - Request to use Gentoo tango icon
+21:06 <@dabbott> The icon was done on the Gnome Tango mail kist for use by Gentoo
+21:06 <@NeddySeagoon> We need to make this happen without making our logo public domain
+21:06 <@dabbott> s/kist/list
+21:07 <@quantumsummers> dabbott: what is the license on the icon set?
+21:07 <@dabbott> none that I know of
+21:07 < Guest77321> Thanks for the welcome, everyone. I'll keep an eye on my Inbox.  Bye for now.
+21:08 <@NeddySeagoon> bye for now Mike
+21:08 <@quantumsummers> Guest77321: thank you! we'll talk soon
+21:08 <@dabbott> by Mike, thanks for stopping by
+21:08 < tsunam> by mike
+21:08 < tsunam> bye*
+21:08 <@dabbott> lol
+21:08 <@quantumsummers> the lic for tngo is public domain
+21:08 -!- Guest77321 [~mike@c-71-192-166-249.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
+21:08 <@quantumsummers> check your tree
+21:08 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, we can't do public domain
+21:09 <@quantumsummers> x11-themes/tango-icon-theme
+21:09 < tsunam> that's true
+21:09 <@quantumsummers> what we could do is make an ebuild with our own lic that installs our logo icon
+21:09 <@NeddySeagoon> maybe one of the more restrictive creative commons
+21:09 <@quantumsummers> by attribution non-commercial
+21:10 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, thats worth a look ... writing a lic is non trivial ... we don't want to go there
+21:11 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, looks like one for legal
+21:11 <@quantumsummers> we use the CC-by attrib-non-commercial
+21:11 <@quantumsummers> will ask legal
+21:11 <@dabbott> He wanted to use it for the start-here icon
+21:11 <@quantumsummers> yes, great idea
+21:11 <@NeddySeagoon> thanks
+21:12 <@quantumsummers> the tango ebuild will need a slight mod
+21:12 <@NeddySeagoon> Its a good idea but we must protect our make too
+21:12 <@dabbott> I am using our logo and it looks fine, it is so small you can not really tell the difference
+21:12 <@NeddySeagoon> mark*  not make
+21:12  * quantumsummers uses the G for my kde launcher icon too
+21:12 <@quantumsummers> hand installed though
+21:13 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 7 Advertising Requests  ... there are none
+21:13 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 8 Date of Next Meeting - 18th Jul 2010 19:00 UTC
+21:13 <@dabbott> fine here
+21:13 <@quantumsummers> good for me too
+21:13 <@NeddySeagoon> wfm
+21:14 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 9  Any other business ...
+21:14 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, ?
+21:14 <@quantumsummers> none from me
+21:14 <@dabbott> yes
+21:15 <@NeddySeagoon> none from me
+21:15 <@dabbott> would an ad for an attorney be something we would want to do?
+21:15 <@quantumsummers> not yet please
+21:15 <@quantumsummers> if we continue to have issues with sflc, then yet
+21:15 <@quantumsummers> *yes
+21:15 <@NeddySeagoon> agreed
+21:15 <@dabbott> ok
+21:15 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, ?  AoB
+21:15 < tsunam> none from me
+21:16 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: any for you?
+21:16 < tsunam> other then to say happy fathers day to all the fathers 
+21:16 <@quantumsummers> I second that pronouncement!
+21:16 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 10 Responsibilities
+21:16 <@dabbott> I will do the motions
+21:16 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll post the log and write to our new member
+21:17 <@quantumsummers> dabbott: will you be updating the motions
+21:17 <@quantumsummers> ?
+21:17 <@dabbott> yep
+21:17 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 11  Open Floor
+21:17 <@quantumsummers> many thanksw
+21:18 <@quantumsummers> anyone for open floor?
+21:18  * NeddySeagoon declares the meeting closed
diff --git a/2010/20100718_trustees_meeting_log.txt b/2010/20100718_trustees_meeting_log.txt
new file mode 100644
index 0000000..6107e03
--- /dev/null
+++ b/2010/20100718_trustees_meeting_log.txt
@@ -0,0 +1,229 @@
+Jul 18 15:00:51 *	NeddySeagoon bangs his gavel to call the meeting to order ... roll call
+Jul 18 15:01:11 <tsunam>	here
+Jul 18 15:01:15 <_robbat2|irssi>	on an htc dream, in a noisy coffeeshop in ottawa :-)
+Jul 18 15:01:22 <dabbott>	here
+Jul 18 15:01:39 <NeddySeagoon>	quantumsummers_,   ?
+Jul 18 15:01:54 <_robbat2|irssi>	dns seems borked badly, so i've got ssh, but no web access
+Jul 18 15:02:04 <NeddySeagoon>	Lets start - we have a quorum
+Jul 18 15:02:08 <tsunam>	_robbat2|irssi: its something
+Jul 18 15:02:30 <NeddySeagoon>	my logger isn't here, so I'm not logging today
+Jul 18 15:02:42 <tsunam>	mine is
+Jul 18 15:02:55 <NeddySeagoon>	tsunam, can you post the log then please
+Jul 18 15:02:57 <dabbott>	I should be also
+Jul 18 15:03:12 <tsunam>	if dabbott needs it I'll forward it to the alias
+Jul 18 15:03:23 <_robbat2|irssi>	fyi, i have to leave in 45mins to get my flight
+Jul 18 15:03:28 <NeddySeagoon>	Item 3 tsunam ... Treasuers Report
+Jul 18 15:03:50 <tsunam>	I'd posted it to the group, roy you had some concern's but I didn't really hear anything else from anyone
+Jul 18 15:04:08 <tsunam>	this was similar to last years report if I recall
+Jul 18 15:04:20 <dabbott>	I put it here http://www.gentoo.org/foundation/en/finances/2010-treasurer-report.xml
+Jul 18 15:05:15 <NeddySeagoon>	tsunam, probably because I'm English and expected to see a balance sheet but if everyone else is happy, I'm happy too
+Jul 18 15:06:03 <_robbat2|irssi>	i can't check the link atm, so i'll go w/ the majority
+Jul 18 15:06:20 <dabbott>	motion to accept
+Jul 18 15:06:31 *	NeddySeagoon waits for someone to propose a motion to adopt the treasuers report
+Jul 18 15:06:37 <NeddySeagoon>	seconded
+Jul 18 15:06:42 <tsunam>	aye
+Jul 18 15:06:47 <NeddySeagoon>	aye
+Jul 18 15:06:56 <dabbott>	yes
+Jul 18 15:07:04 <_robbat2|irssi>	aye per majority
+Jul 18 15:07:11 <NeddySeagoon>	motion carried
+Jul 18 15:07:19 <NeddySeagoon>	thanks tsunam 
+Jul 18 15:07:39 <NeddySeagoon>	tsunam, Cafepress Revenue
+Jul 18 15:08:10 <tsunam>	I've changed the cafepress stuff to send checks to me now, however I need to contact cafepress about previous checks that went to grant
+Jul 18 15:08:12 <NeddySeagoon>	dabbott, Good link. I get the .co.uk site, so I may buy stuff there
+Jul 18 15:08:31 <NeddySeagoon>	tsunam, maybe contact grant too
+Jul 18 15:08:40 <tsunam>	I should
+Jul 18 15:08:44 <tsunam>	and will do that
+Jul 18 15:09:00 <NeddySeagoon>	thanks
+Jul 18 15:09:02 <tsunam>	currently the checks (only real option) will come to my address that I'll then deposit
+Jul 18 15:09:41 <NeddySeagoon>	tsunam, on the subject of money, what happened to our credit/debit card application ?
+Jul 18 15:10:24 <tsunam>	It was declined. Related to "amount of debt" to me at the time of the application. Doesn't matter that it was immediately paid off (when I bought the servers and a few other things)
+Jul 18 15:10:32 <tsunam>	at least that's the way it appeared
+Jul 18 15:10:41 <tsunam>	I've not reapplied
+Jul 18 15:10:44 <NeddySeagoon>	tsunam, ok, thanks
+Jul 18 15:10:49 <NeddySeagoon>	tsunam, Updating Registration in NM
+Jul 18 15:11:10 <tsunam>	annual report is due, I'll be working with quantumsummers_ this week to get it sent off
+Jul 18 15:11:20 <tsunam>	there's the standard 10 dollar us charge for the filing
+Jul 18 15:11:36 <NeddySeagoon>	that will fix our registration too ?
+Jul 18 15:11:39 <tsunam>	yes
+Jul 18 15:11:53 <NeddySeagoon>	bargin! all for $10
+Jul 18 15:12:19 <tsunam>	especially as its due by the end of the month :)
+Jul 18 15:12:24 <NeddySeagoon>	quantumsummers isn't here, we will come back to his bit if he shows up
+Jul 18 15:12:53 <NeddySeagoon>	_robbat2|irssi,  Rotating Sidebar 
+Jul 18 15:13:40 <_robbat2|irssi>	it's done and live
+Jul 18 15:14:13 <tsunam>	nice :)
+Jul 18 15:14:16 <dabbott>	:) works great, have you had many comments ?
+Jul 18 15:14:21 <NeddySeagoon>	_robbat2|irssi, thanks - I'll need to look more closely
+Jul 18 15:14:48 <NeddySeagoon>	Request to use Gentoo tango icon ...
+Jul 18 15:14:58 <_robbat2|irssi>	none, just some sponsor's promosing me new/updated ads
+Jul 18 15:15:20 <_robbat2|irssi>	the integration is practically seamless
+Jul 18 15:15:49 <NeddySeagoon>	Pacho Ramos ...
+Jul 18 15:15:49 <dabbott>	ICON I would like to find a way to give our blessings I think it is included in x11-themes/gnome-colors-themes-5.5.1
+Jul 18 15:16:25 <_robbat2|irssi>	i don't see any problems w/ it
+Jul 18 15:16:33 <NeddySeagoon>	We should be able to use a CC licence
+Jul 18 15:16:41 <_robbat2|irssi>	what license is that pkg under?
+Jul 18 15:16:52 <tsunam>	i believe that was the issue
+Jul 18 15:17:33 <dabbott>	LICENSE="GPL-2 public-domain"
+Jul 18 15:17:37 <NeddySeagoon>	CC attribution, no derivative works should work to protect our interests
+Jul 18 15:18:02 <tsunam>	hmm
+Jul 18 15:18:11 <_robbat2|irssi>	ah the no deriv works bites here
+Jul 18 15:18:28 <tsunam>	yeah
+Jul 18 15:18:37 <_robbat2|irssi>	as icons are exactly that
+Jul 18 15:18:41 <NeddySeagoon>	weirdedout, we can't have derivitive works including our mark
+Jul 18 15:19:32 <NeddySeagoon>	we allow the icon set ... thats fine but not further derivatives
+Jul 18 15:20:16 <tsunam>	the derivatives would be hard to track honestly :/
+Jul 18 15:20:59 <NeddySeagoon>	Any licence is hard to track ... we cannot put our trademark in the public domain
+Jul 18 15:21:06 <tsunam>	*nods*
+Jul 18 15:21:13 <NeddySeagoon>	unless ...
+Jul 18 15:21:32 <NeddySeagoon>	Can we public domain images below a certain size ?
+Jul 18 15:21:35 <_robbat2|irssi>	i have an idea too..
+Jul 18 15:21:44 <tsunam>	NeddySeagoon: that's too much of a gray area
+Jul 18 15:21:49 <_robbat2|irssi>	CCPL-Sampling license
+Jul 18 15:22:01 <NeddySeagoon>	_robbat2|irssi, what that ?
+Jul 18 15:22:04 <tsunam>	_robbat2|irssi: ccpl- sampling?
+Jul 18 15:22:11 <tsunam>	i'm not familar with that license
+Jul 18 15:22:42 <_robbat2|irssi>	blocks commercial derivatives, while allowing others as long as they are strongly transformative
+Jul 18 15:23:07 <tsunam>	hmm interesting
+Jul 18 15:23:09 <_robbat2|irssi>	It's one of the lesser known CC licenses
+Jul 18 15:23:20 <NeddySeagoon>	Lets take it to the list, _robbat2|irssi only has a tiny keyboard ... sounds promising
+Jul 18 15:23:31 <tsunam>	I'd like to read over that license before voting for such
+Jul 18 15:23:37 <NeddySeagoon>	me too
+Jul 18 15:23:45 <NeddySeagoon>	Next item
+Jul 18 15:23:48 <_robbat2|irssi>	yup, maybe get more input too
+Jul 18 15:23:52 <_robbat2|irssi>	onelast bit
+Jul 18 15:23:59 <NeddySeagoon>	[Tango-artists] Request for an icon
+Jul 18 15:24:25 <dabbott>	^ same item
+Jul 18 15:24:27 <_robbat2|irssi>	if we have a list of our license constraints, i can ask a friend that works for CC org
+Jul 18 15:24:42 <NeddySeagoon>	_robbat2|irssi, sounds good
+Jul 18 15:24:48 <_robbat2|irssi>	 /item
+Jul 18 15:25:01 <NeddySeagoon>	Trustee Bugs
+Jul 18 15:25:18 <NeddySeagoon>	!bug 33740
+Jul 18 15:25:20 <willikins>	NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/33740 "Reply address and fax-phone number missing"; Gentoo Infrastructure, Forums; ASSI; bugs-gentoo@kotiaho.net:trustees@g.o
+Jul 18 15:25:37 <_robbat2|irssi>	was pending legal input
+Jul 18 15:25:49 <NeddySeagoon>	Nothing will happen until the forums are upgraded anyway
+Jul 18 15:25:53 <tsunam>	*nods*
+Jul 18 15:26:06 <NeddySeagoon>	!bug 208353    	
+Jul 18 15:26:08 <willikins>	NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/208353 "retire: Grant Goodyear (g2boojum)"; Gentoo Developers/Staff, Retirement; NEW; g2boojum@g.o:retirement@g.o
+Jul 18 15:26:17 <NeddySeagoon>	Why are we on this one ?
+Jul 18 15:26:37 <NeddySeagoon>	!bug 285549
+Jul 18 15:26:39 <willikins>	NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/285549 "Add #gentoo-ir (Iran) to IRC channels list"; Website www.gentoo.org, Other; NEW; belendax@gmail.com:trustees@g.o
+Jul 18 15:26:40 <_robbat2|irssi>	i don't know
+Jul 18 15:26:48 <NeddySeagoon>	legal input
+Jul 18 15:27:14 <NeddySeagoon>	I'll take us off  Grants bug
+Jul 18 15:27:31 <NeddySeagoon>	!bug 296766
+Jul 18 15:27:33 <willikins>	NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/296766 "Corrections to corporation filing needed as of 2009/12/13"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; ASSI; robbat2@g.o:trustees@g.o
+Jul 18 15:27:39 <NeddySeagoon>	discussed already
+Jul 18 15:28:05 <NeddySeagoon>	!bug 304853 
+Jul 18 15:28:07 <willikins>	NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/304853 "Not possible to purchase Larry the cow clothing"; User Relations, User/Developer Issues; ASSI; mihel@hotbox.ru:trustees@g.o
+Jul 18 15:28:19 <NeddySeagoon>	dabbott,  ?
+Jul 18 15:28:21 <tsunam>	has the contest been run?
+Jul 18 15:28:33 <dabbott>	tsunam: do you have access to the store? I will run the contest
+Jul 18 15:28:40 <tsunam>	dabbott: I do
+Jul 18 15:28:58 <dabbott>	ok :) right after the screenshot contest ++
+Jul 18 15:29:06 <NeddySeagoon>	yep
+Jul 18 15:29:18 <tsunam>	I need to send information to the rest of the trustee's about access to the store
+Jul 18 15:29:26 <_robbat2|irssi>	thx
+Jul 18 15:29:31 <NeddySeagoon>	!bug 326701    	
+Jul 18 15:29:32 <willikins>	NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/326701 "Gentoo Official Store add trustees to cafepress@gentoo.org"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; NEW; dabbott@g.o:trustees@g.o
+Jul 18 15:29:54 <tsunam>	I'll change that this week hopefully
+Jul 18 15:30:03 <NeddySeagoon>	tsunam, thanks
+Jul 18 15:30:10 <NeddySeagoon>	thats ll the bugs
+Jul 18 15:30:14 <_robbat2|irssi>	assign to me in status
+Jul 18 15:30:30 <_robbat2|irssi>	i'll update the alias when i'm home
+Jul 18 15:30:37 <_robbat2|irssi>	in 10 hours
+Jul 18 15:30:40 <NeddySeagoon>	_robbat2|irssi, ok
+Jul 18 15:30:59 <NeddySeagoon>	Item 5 New Business
+Jul 18 15:31:13 <NeddySeagoon>	New Sponsor Axant
+Jul 18 15:31:39 <_robbat2|irssi>	was that the .it or the .ru?
+Jul 18 15:31:50 <NeddySeagoon>	the site is in .it
+Jul 18 15:32:24 <_robbat2|irssi>	no objections to them from me, since there is a dev
+Jul 18 15:32:35 <tsunam>	*nods*
+Jul 18 15:32:36 <dabbott>	same here
+Jul 18 15:32:53 <NeddySeagoon>	As a policy statement, I'm in favour of giving coverage to companies offering paid for Gentoo support but stopping shourt of calling it offcial
+Jul 18 15:33:13 <NeddySeagoon>	We cannot test the quality of the support, so cannot endorse it
+Jul 18 15:33:16 <tsunam>	I'd concur
+Jul 18 15:33:17 <_robbat2|irssi>	with preference to those employing devs?
+Jul 18 15:33:58 <NeddySeagoon>	Well, paid support gives companies a warm fuzzy feeling
+Jul 18 15:34:30 <tsunam>	I'd be hesitant to suggest any preferential listing
+Jul 18 15:34:42 <NeddySeagoon>	maybe two catagories ... those with devs on the payrol, those without ?
+Jul 18 15:35:05 <tsunam>	who would maintain such a list? As people do move on to other positions
+Jul 18 15:35:15 <NeddySeagoon>	I don't have any strong feelings
+Jul 18 15:35:30 <dabbott>	We could add another chapter to the sponsors page for commercial support not endorsed 
+Jul 18 15:35:45 <_robbat2|irssi>	below the rest, sure
+Jul 18 15:35:47 <NeddySeagoon>	Leave the groupings out then
+Jul 18 15:36:00 <tsunam>	that would be preferable to me then
+Jul 18 15:36:09 <_robbat2|irssi>	or would a seperate page be better?
+Jul 18 15:36:10 <dabbott>	yes below the rest and look to cleanup the top part
+Jul 18 15:36:20 <tsunam>	I think a seperate page would be better in my opinion
+Jul 18 15:36:23 <NeddySeagoon>	dabbott, inverspath have a listing on support.  I think they are the only ones
+Jul 18 15:36:49 <dabbott>	seperate page will work fine
+Jul 18 15:36:52 <_robbat2|irssi>	they used to be an infra-sponsor too
+Jul 18 15:36:56 <NeddySeagoon>	I prefer a new page
+Jul 18 15:37:16 <tsunam>	with NeddySeagoon's message that these are companies offering support for gentoo, however we don't guarentee their level's of support
+Jul 18 15:37:37 <_robbat2|irssi>	+1 on that warning/preface
+Jul 18 15:37:39 <tsunam>	bah netbook :( typing on it isn't easy :/
+Jul 18 15:38:05 <dabbott>	I will put somthing together and send to the list, a new page for review
+Jul 18 15:38:12 <_robbat2|irssi>	hey, my kb is worse :-p
+Jul 18 15:38:14 <tsunam>	thank you dabbott 
+Jul 18 15:38:15 <_robbat2|irssi>	ok
+Jul 18 15:38:23 <NeddySeagoon>	Summary ... new page for companies offering paid support for Gentoo with our rider that we do not underwrite the quality of support.  Cavet Emptor
+Jul 18 15:38:31 <_robbat2|irssi>	+1
+Jul 18 15:38:55 <dabbott>	NeddySeagoon: thanks
+Jul 18 15:39:21 <NeddySeagoon>	We have the two requests .it and .ru  
+Jul 18 15:39:25 <_robbat2|irssi>	anything more critical, t-5 min, for me
+Jul 18 15:39:28 <NeddySeagoon>	Will we accept both ?
+Jul 18 15:39:52 <_robbat2|irssi>	i want to talk to the .ru more
+Jul 18 15:39:57 <NeddySeagoon>	ok
+Jul 18 15:40:06 <NeddySeagoon>	Do we accept the .it then
+Jul 18 15:40:07 <tsunam>	the .it I don't have an issue with accepting now
+Jul 18 15:40:08 <_robbat2|irssi>	the .it i've known about for a bit
+Jul 18 15:40:40 <NeddySeagoon>	motion to accept the .it request for isting
+Jul 18 15:40:46 <dabbott>	accept .it defer .ru until _robbat2|irssi checks them out :)
+Jul 18 15:40:54 <dabbott>	aye
+Jul 18 15:41:01 <_robbat2|irssi>	aye
+Jul 18 15:41:01 <tsunam>	aye
+Jul 18 15:41:07 <NeddySeagoon>	_robbat2|irssi, ?
+Jul 18 15:41:16 <tsunam>	he aready said yes :_P
+Jul 18 15:41:27 <NeddySeagoon>	Sorry.
+Jul 18 15:41:37 <NeddySeagoon>	Lets skip to membership
+Jul 18 15:41:59 <NeddySeagoon>	Anthony G. Basile and Maciej Mrozowski  both devs
+Jul 18 15:42:01 <dabbott>	yes
+Jul 18 15:42:03 <tsunam>	aye to both
+Jul 18 15:42:04 <NeddySeagoon>	All in favou
+Jul 18 15:42:08 <NeddySeagoon>	aye
+Jul 18 15:42:11 <_robbat2|irssi>	aye to both
+Jul 18 15:42:19 <NeddySeagoon>	Carried
+Jul 18 15:42:53 <NeddySeagoon>	Markos Chandras (hwoarang) Request for developer certificate
+Jul 18 15:43:10 <NeddySeagoon>	quantumsummers_, usually does these
+Jul 18 15:43:14 <_robbat2|irssi>	aye, same as prior certs
+Jul 18 15:43:37 <NeddySeagoon>	action on quantumsummers_ then, since hes not here
+Jul 18 15:43:42 <tsunam>	*nods*
+Jul 18 15:43:58 <NeddySeagoon>	Item 8 Date of Next Meeting - 15th Aug 2010 19:00 UTC
+Jul 18 15:44:02 <_robbat2|irssi>	t-1 for me
+Jul 18 15:44:04 <tsunam>	works for me
+Jul 18 15:44:08 <NeddySeagoon>	wfm
+Jul 18 15:44:11 <dabbott>	fine here
+Jul 18 15:44:17 <NeddySeagoon>	carried
+Jul 18 15:44:20 <_robbat2|irssi>	aye, i think my calendar is free
+Jul 18 15:44:29 <NeddySeagoon>	Any other business ... _robbat2|irssi   ?
+Jul 18 15:44:32 <_robbat2|irssi>	none
+Jul 18 15:44:42 <NeddySeagoon>	dabbott, 
+Jul 18 15:44:51 <_robbat2|irssi>	apologies for missing the last meeting
+Jul 18 15:44:52 <tsunam>	no other business from me
+Jul 18 15:44:59 <NeddySeagoon>	nor from me
+Jul 18 15:45:00 <dabbott>	did you want to do the bugs on the mailing list
+Jul 18 15:45:15 <_robbat2|irssi>	sure
+Jul 18 15:45:27 <NeddySeagoon>	tsunam, will post the log
+Jul 18 15:45:41 <dabbott>	if something needs more attention we can add it to the agenda
+Jul 18 15:45:54 <NeddySeagoon>	dabbott, can you do the motions please ?
+Jul 18 15:46:09 <dabbott>	yes, the log also while I am at it
+Jul 18 15:46:12 *	NeddySeagoon will write to our new members
+Jul 18 15:46:21 <tsunam>	dabbott: ah thanks then :)
+Jul 18 15:46:26 <_robbat2|irssi>	ok i'm out of here
+Jul 18 15:46:32 <NeddySeagoon>	Agenda item 11 # Open Floor
+Jul 18 15:46:33 <dabbott>	thanks _robbat2|irssi 
+Jul 18 15:46:33 <_robbat2|irssi>	travel safely all
+Jul 18 15:46:36 <NeddySeagoon>	bye _robbat2|irssi 
+Jul 18 15:46:43 <tsunam>	bye _robbat2|irssi have a safe flight
+Jul 18 15:46:52 <_robbat2|irssi>	gone
+Jul 18 15:47:46 <tsunam>	seems no one has any things for the open floor
+Jul 18 15:47:51 *	NeddySeagoon bangs his gavel to close the meeting
diff --git a/2010/20100815_trustees_meeting_log.txt b/2010/20100815_trustees_meeting_log.txt
new file mode 100644
index 0000000..2441bab
--- /dev/null
+++ b/2010/20100815_trustees_meeting_log.txt
@@ -0,0 +1,283 @@
+20:00  * NeddySeagoon bangs his gavel to open the 15 Aug 2010 Gentoo Foundation Inc monthly trustees meeting
+20:00 <@robbat2|na> hi all
+20:00 <@NeddySeagoon> Roll Call
+20:00 <@dabbott> here
+20:00 <@robbat2|na> yo
+20:00 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, quantumsummers_  ?
+20:00 <@quantumsummers_> present
+20:01 -!- quantumsummers_ is now known as quantumsummers
+20:01 <@NeddySeagoon> We have a quorum.  If someone on the right contenent could give josh a call ...  
+20:01 <@NeddySeagoon> We willstart anyway
+20:01 <@NeddySeagoon> I'm logging
+20:02 <@NeddySeagoon> Item 3 Old Business
+20:02 <@NeddySeagoon> Open Invention Network sent us a reminder.
+20:02 <@NeddySeagoon> From memory, that was with SFLC ... quantumsummers is that right ?
+20:03 <@quantumsummers> fslc was working with OIN in some capacity
+20:03 <@quantumsummers> *sflc that is
+20:03 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, I thought we had them checking out the agreement ? 
+20:04 <@quantumsummers> That is correct.
+20:04 <@quantumsummers> I was told that SFLC was developing some docs for OIN\
+20:04 <@NeddySeagoon> Is that on the agenda for your chat with SFLC next week ?
+20:04 <@quantumsummers> Yes, that is one point, certainly
+20:04 <@quantumsummers> I have it on our list to revisit OIN for November's meeting
+20:04 <@quantumsummers> as well.
+20:05 <@dabbott> second
+20:05 <@robbat2|na> November? what happened to sept/oct?
+20:06 <@quantumsummers> We decided at the meeting in June I believe
+20:06 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, we agreed to defer it while we go feedback from SFLC
+20:06 <@quantumsummers> I am happy to bump that to sooner
+20:06 <@NeddySeagoon> got*
+20:06 <@robbat2|na> once you've got response from SFLC, assuming it's positive, we can probably vote at the next meeting?
+20:07 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, lets wait until after your appointment with SFLC
+20:07 <@quantumsummers> fine. as I recall, the main benefit was political, at least at that point in June
+20:07  * NeddySeagoon recalls lawyers saying ... on the other hand ... 
+20:07 <@quantumsummers> robbat2|na: you seem more interested, care to expand on why?
+20:08 <@robbat2|na> i've met Keith Bergelt on two occasions now
+20:09 <@robbat2|na> i didn't specifically introduce myself as a Gentoo trustee, but the in-person discussions and presentations seem to be entirely positive
+20:09 <@robbat2|na> we have little to lose or gain politically from joining in my opinion
+20:09 <@robbat2|na> they have a lot to gain from us
+20:09 <@NeddySeagoon> The agreement seems mostly harmless
+20:09 <@quantumsummers> your impressions seem positive. 
+20:10 <@quantumsummers> robbat2|na: what do you see them gaining from gentoo?
+20:10 <@quantumsummers> given that we have no patents
+20:10 <@quantumsummers> albeit, I suspect portage to be a patentable invention.
+20:11 <@quantumsummers> (not that I would advocate for such action)
+20:11 <@NeddySeagoon> not now its published its not
+20:11 <@robbat2|na> more large distributions to claim as members
+20:11 <@quantumsummers> robbat2|na: ok.
+20:12 <@NeddySeagoon> Ok ... lets move on. We cannot decide today
+20:12 <@quantumsummers> ok, so on Tuesday I will discuss this.
+20:12 <@quantumsummers> report to follow
+20:12 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, thanks
+20:12 <@quantumsummers> np
+20:12 <@NeddySeagoon> Gentoo Tango Icon Pacho Ramos
+20:12 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, suggested a CC licence last meeting. I've read it and it looks good to me
+20:13 <@quantumsummers> I like CC
+20:13 <@NeddySeagoon> Has everyone else read it and can we vote ?
+20:13 <@dabbott> yes
+20:13 <@quantumsummers> robbat2|na: what CC derivative?
+20:13 <@quantumsummers> if any
+20:14 <@robbat2|na> CCPL-Sampling
+20:14 <@quantumsummers> ok, very good
+20:14 <@robbat2|na> CCPL-Sampling-Plus-1.0 in our tree
+20:14 <@quantumsummers> Motion: Approve use of Gentoo Logo via license CCPL-Sampling-Plus-1.0 for Tango Icon project.
+20:14 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, seconded
+20:15 <@quantumsummers> thank you
+20:15 <@robbat2|na> this is broader than just the tango icon 
+20:15 <@NeddySeagoon> vote please
+20:15 <@quantumsummers> robbat2|na: shall I amend the motion to accomodate other projects/uses?
+20:15 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, please explain before we vote
+20:15 <@robbat2|na> unless there are objections, yes, please amend
+20:16 <@robbat2|na> the license applies to the logo in general
+20:16 <@quantumsummers> Motion: Approve general use of Gentoo Logo via license CCPL-Sampling-Plus-1.0
+20:16 <@quantumsummers> oops.
+20:16 <@NeddySeagoon> ok
+20:16 <@quantumsummers> Motion: Approve general use of Gentoo "g" Logo via license CCPL-Sampling-Plus-1.0
+20:16 <@NeddySeagoon> seconded
+20:16 <@NeddySeagoon> Vote pleasse
+20:16 <@robbat2|na> aye
+20:16 <@NeddySeagoon> Aye
+20:16 <@quantumsummers> aye
+20:16 <@dabbott> aye
+20:17 <@NeddySeagoon> Carried
+20:17 <@NeddySeagoon> we will come back to Updating Registration in NM   if tsunam shows.  Did anyone call him ?
+20:18 <@quantumsummers> I can, if no one else has already
+20:18 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers,  SFLC Update - we know thats next week
+20:18 <@robbat2|na> i haven't
+20:18  * quantumsummers goes to grab ze phone
+20:18 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, Accountant Team Progress ...
+20:19 <@quantumsummers> one moment, please
+20:19 <@NeddySeagoon> sure
+20:21 <@quantumsummers> Ok, Josh is at the doctor.
+20:21 <@NeddySeagoon> That sounds bad, on a Sunday
+20:21 <@NeddySeagoon> thanks for making the call quantumsummers 
+20:21 <@quantumsummers> yes, he sounded ok, but wasn't real chipper
+20:22 <@quantumsummers> So, re: NM reg. I signed & overnighted the material awhile back, he has not signed & forwarded as of today.
+20:22 <@quantumsummers> we have until November, fyi.
+20:22 <@quantumsummers> but sooner the better
+20:22 <@NeddySeagoon> OK, we can remind tsunam when hes better
+20:22 <@quantumsummers> yes.
+20:23 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, Accountant Team Progress ...
+20:23 <@quantumsummers> ok, re: Accountants: I have assembled the dossiers for them, once I have a tad bit of info from sflc I will release it to the team
+20:24 <@quantumsummers> I will say that I have already acccomplished some of what I had hoped out of them, however, there is plenty left
+20:24 <@NeddySeagoon> hey its good its a team ... as in > 1
+20:24 <@quantumsummers> yes, that is true.
+20:24 <@NeddySeagoon> I guess that covers 501(c)(3) registration status  too ?
+20:24 <@quantumsummers> reminds me, I will schedule a conf call with them as well
+20:24 <@quantumsummers> more or less, yes. we are waiting on sflc, and a bit of budget work
+20:25 <@quantumsummers> beyond that we are in good shape.
+20:25 <@NeddySeagoon> good
+20:25 <@NeddySeagoon> Knowledge Management TODO List ...
+20:25 <@quantumsummers> its there. I have started playing with a mongodb instance for the email archive
+20:25 <@NeddySeagoon> ok
+20:26 <@quantumsummers> might be able to integrate that into the main system once its ironed out
+20:26 <@NeddySeagoon> Markos Chandras (hwoarang) ... Request for developer certificate
+20:26 <@quantumsummers> robbat2|na: I would like to know if you have any ideas on mysql text indexing (via sphinx, etc) at a later date
+20:26 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, you were actioned with this in your absence last meeting :)
+20:26 <@quantumsummers> that is done
+20:27 <@quantumsummers> sent via snail mail && email pdf
+20:27 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, thanks
+20:27 <@quantumsummers> np.
+20:27 <@quantumsummers> note
+20:27 <@dabbott> quantumsummers: ++
+20:27 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott your turn
+20:27 <@robbat2|na> quantumsummers, ok, later on, it's not hard
+20:27 <@quantumsummers> I have considered setting something up with roll call to automate these
+20:27 <@NeddySeagoon> Consultants Page Review
+20:27 <@quantumsummers> just a sec please
+20:28 <@quantumsummers> perhaps I should ask Josh, but I have accrued a bit of  tab on behalf of gentoo recently. how shall I handle that?
+20:28 <@quantumsummers> submit an invoice?
+20:28 <@quantumsummers> its not pressing, however I would like my accounting to be in shape, etc, etc
+20:29 <@robbat2|na> invoice the alias, and josh can send you a cheque or paypal probably
+20:29 <@robbat2|na> that's how we've done it for infra before
+20:29 <@quantumsummers> ok, sounds good
+20:29 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, yes please, we are a business, like any other business.  We need the paper trail to appease auditors
+20:29 <@quantumsummers> that is all from me then. 
+20:29 <@dabbott> Is it tracked with a bug
+20:29 <@quantumsummers> ok, will do
+20:30 <@robbat2|na> quantumsummers, it's probably just incidental for paperwork and sending said paperwork to josh right?
+20:30 <@robbat2|na> not an actual funding request ahead of time
+20:30 <@quantumsummers> that and the print/mail of dev cert
+20:30 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, petty cash
+20:30 <@quantumsummers> robbat2|na: correct, these were incidental expenses
+20:31 <@robbat2|na> yup, just invoice then, that's what we've done for infra. large stuff gets a funding request ahead of time
+20:31 <@NeddySeagoon> We don't need a bug - invoice to the alias is fine
+20:31 <@quantumsummers> ok, its <$50 total
+20:32 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, your companies page looks good.  Is thee only the one company to go on it ?
+20:32 <@dabbott> If the Consultants page is OK I can add it to our links http://www.gentoo.org/foundation/en/#doc_chap5
+20:32 <@dabbott> yes so far liiking to add more
+20:33 <@dabbott> *looking
+20:33 <@robbat2|na> should we ask on -core if anybody else wants to be put on?
+20:33 <@NeddySeagoon> Maybe put out a news item about it 
+20:33 <@quantumsummers> dabbott: I would like to place a link, if everyone thinks that is acceptable
+20:33 <@quantumsummers> news item is a good idea
+20:33 <@quantumsummers> -core as well
+20:33 <@robbat2|na> +1 on putting the page up as well
+20:34 <@dabbott> ok I will do both
+20:34 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, fine by me as long as you declare your interest should it affect a vote
+20:34 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: indeed
+20:34 <@robbat2|na> i'll declare right now that i've done Gentoo consulting in the past
+20:34 <@quantumsummers> as have I albeit small in comparison ;)
+20:35 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, give it a week for resoponses to news/core then make the page live
+20:35 <@dabbott> I will run by the requests as I get them by email
+20:35 <@dabbott> for review
+20:35 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll declare that I would, if the opportunity were to arise
+20:36 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, Larry Graphics Contest ...
+20:36 <@dabbott> Starting on Aug 1 need more judges, have one a3li 
+20:37 <@dabbott> robbat2|na: is the artwork@g.o still working?
+20:37 <@NeddySeagoon> Sounds like another news item then, or something on dev-announce
+20:37 <@robbat2|na> dabbott, yes
+20:38 <@dabbott> I added myself to the alias sent an email but did not recieve anything
+20:39 <@dabbott> I will look around may have been spammed
+20:39 <@robbat2|na> dabbott, when was that so I can look in the logs later?
+20:39 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, anything else on judges ?
+20:39 <@dabbott> about 2 weeks ago
+20:39 <@dabbott> no thats it
+20:40 <@NeddySeagoon> Item 4 Bugs ... moved to t@g.o
+20:40 <@NeddySeagoon> Item 5 New Business
+20:40 <@NeddySeagoon> Electronics Book Gentoo Logo Usage (Jordan Force)
+20:41 <@quantumsummers> seems this would be covered by the earlier motion.
+20:42 <@robbat2|na> one sec, it might not
+20:42 <@NeddySeagoon> Hmm.  I don't see the use of our logo in a book as commercial use.  The book would be almost unchanged it it were removed
+20:42 <@robbat2|na> the Sampling license is intended for derivitive works
+20:42 <@quantumsummers> ah yes, I recall.
+20:42 <@NeddySeagoon> so it should be considered non-commercial use
+20:42 <@robbat2|na> the book is not a derivative work
+20:42 <@quantumsummers> hmm, this may become tricky.
+20:43 <@dabbott> do we need to add anything to the logo usage guideling page?
+20:43 <@quantumsummers> dabbott: we will, most likely
+20:43 <@robbat2|na> does anybody know how he wants to use the logo in the book?
+20:43 <@quantumsummers> its in the email
+20:43 <@NeddySeagoon> All we have is the email
+20:43 <@robbat2|na> "I am writing a book about electronics. I am going to use the logo in the book, is this okay?"
+20:44 <@robbat2|na> that's really brief
+20:44 <@quantumsummers> ah, my mistake
+20:44 <@quantumsummers> perhaps we ought ask him for a bit of info
+20:44 <@dabbott> yes
+20:44 <@NeddySeagoon> we need to get more detail
+20:44 <@robbat2|na> dabbott, i'll update the logo usage page for the sampling license
+20:44 <@NeddySeagoon> Will I respond ?
+20:45 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, thanks
+20:45 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: please do, if you don't mind
+20:45 <@dabbott> j19force93@gmail.com
+20:45 <@NeddySeagoon> Oops - I have the original mail
+20:46 <@NeddySeagoon> next - libbash license (GSOC) Petteri R?ty
+20:46 <@NeddySeagoon> Betelgeuse, is in the channel
+20:46 <+Betelgeuse> NeddySeagoon: It's not the license selection I wanted input on.
+20:47 <@NeddySeagoon> Betelgeuse, sorry, thats my mistake
+20:47 <@NeddySeagoon> Betelgeuse, please summarise
+20:47 <+Betelgeuse> I proposed we assign copyright to the Foundation.
+20:47 <@robbat2|na> I believe that Betelgeuse wants to know if we should hold the copyright for it, or if we leave it as the student
+20:47 <@robbat2|na> sorry, was typing that at the same time
+20:48 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, thats one for the lawyers. International copyright is a mess
+20:48 <+Betelgeuse> The student is from US.
+20:49 <@NeddySeagoon> that makes it easier
+20:49 <@quantumsummers> in that case, its rather wimple
+20:49 <@quantumsummers> lol, simple
+20:49 <@robbat2|na> Betelgeuse, has anybody else other than the student contributed code to it yet?
+20:49 <@quantumsummers> I have an assignment doc we could use
+20:49 <+Betelgeuse> robbat2|na: I have small snippets but don't consider enough to constitute a work.
+20:50 <@robbat2|na> yes, I meant non-trivial contributions
+20:50 <@NeddySeagoon> Betelgeuse, anybody else ?
+20:50 <+Betelgeuse> NeddySeagoon: no
+20:50 <+Betelgeuse> Basically I anticipate request for a more liberal license but ideally would start with GPL-2
+20:50 <@robbat2|na> ok, then it's an easy case, since it's entirely inside the US. probably just use quantumsummers's existing doc
+20:51 <@NeddySeagoon> What is the advantage to Gentoo of having copyright ?
+20:51 <@robbat2|na> so assign copyright to Gentoo Foundation, and license with GPL-2/LGPL-2
+20:51 <@quantumsummers> should be fine, then. Betelgeuse I will email you for the necessary info.
+20:52 <@robbat2|na> NeddySeagoon, specifically we can pursue copyright infringement of libbash without the student having to retain his own legal counsel
+20:52 <+Betelgeuse> and relicense even if the student is not reachable
+20:52 <@NeddySeagoon> I suppose it allows us to relicense if we want to too
+20:53 <@NeddySeagoon> ok.  lets use quantumsummers doc.  quantumsummers can you post the document to the alias too please
+20:53 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: yes, of course
+20:53 <@NeddySeagoon> I have to catch up on US forms
+20:54 <+Betelgeuse> quantumsummers: Does your doc quarantee we will always use an OSI approved license?
+20:54 <@quantumsummers> Betelgeuse: not at present
+20:54 <@quantumsummers> it can however, with just a slight mod
+20:54 <@NeddySeagoon> Betelgeuse quantumsummers:fix the doc outside of the meeting please
+20:54 <@quantumsummers> kk
+20:55 <@NeddySeagoon> Developer Certificate (pdf) - Theo Chatzimichos
+20:55 <@quantumsummers> I will create it.
+20:55 <@NeddySeagoon> thanks
+20:55 <@NeddySeagoon> Item 6 Membership Applications
+20:55 <@NeddySeagoon> Alex Alexander - Gentoo Dev
+20:56 <@NeddySeagoon> I vote aye
+20:56 <@dabbott> yes
+20:56 <@quantumsummers> aye
+20:56 <@robbat2|na> aye
+20:56 <@NeddySeagoon> Shall I write a wee ditty ?
+20:56 <@dabbott> please do
+20:56 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: yes please :)
+20:56 <@NeddySeagoon> ok
+20:57 <@NeddySeagoon> Item 8 Date of Next Meeting - 19th Sep 2010 19:00 UTC
+20:57 <@NeddySeagoon> That works for me
+20:57 <@dabbott> fine here
+20:57 <@quantumsummers> fine here
+20:57 <@robbat2|na> +1 for me
+20:57 <@NeddySeagoon> that was easy
+20:57 <@NeddySeagoon> Item 9 Any other business ... 
+20:58 <@robbat2|na> it's only summer that's busy :-) September gets slower
+20:58 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers,  ?
+20:58 <@robbat2|na> none from me
+20:58 <@dabbott> Current bugs are in the topic if you want to review
+20:58 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, lets try doing it on the list this month
+20:58 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: nope. nothing beyond the convo with legal
+20:59 <@NeddySeagoon> nothing here 
+20:59 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, AoB ?
+20:59 <@dabbott> AoB ??
+20:59 <@robbat2|na> "Any other Business"
+20:59 <@dabbott> lol
+20:59 <@dabbott> no
+21:00 <@NeddySeagoon> Item 10 Responsibilities
+21:00 <@dabbott> I will do the motions
+21:00 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll post the log and write the two emails
+21:00 <@dabbott> I think just one ?
+21:00 <@NeddySeagoon> wired and more info about logo useage
+21:00 <@dabbott> ok 2
+21:01 <@quantumsummers> gentlemen, its been a pleasure. talk to you all very soon. Cheers.
+21:01 <@NeddySeagoon> Item 11 Open Floor
+21:01 <@NeddySeagoon> later quantumsummers 
+21:01 <@dabbott> ty quantumsummers 
+21:01 <@robbat2|na> bug 329509, it's CC'd for trustees, but I think we can just hand it over to the licenses team while the upstreams work it out
+21:01 < willikins> robbat2|na: https://bugs.gentoo.org/329509 "dev-libs/shared-desktop-ontologies is a licensing mess"; Gentoo Linux, Ebuilds; NEW; luke-jr+gentoobugs@utopios.org:kde@g.o
+21:02  * NeddySeagoon bangs his gavel to close the meeting
diff --git a/2010/20100919_trustees_meeting_log.txt b/2010/20100919_trustees_meeting_log.txt
new file mode 100644
index 0000000..586cc75
--- /dev/null
+++ b/2010/20100919_trustees_meeting_log.txt
@@ -0,0 +1,355 @@
+20:03  * NeddySeagoon bangs his gavel to bring the September 19, 2010 trustee meeting to order
+20:04 <@NeddySeagoon> Roll call - I'm logging
+20:04 <@dabbott> here
+20:04 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, sends apologies
+20:04  * quantumsummers_ is present
+20:04 <@quantumsummers_> is Josh feeling any better?
+20:04 <@NeddySeagoon> ping robbat2|na  
+20:05 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, I don't know - that was just for the record that he said he would no be here
+20:05 <@NeddySeagoon> We have a quorum - lets start
+20:05 <@quantumsummers_> kk
+20:06 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers it looks like its all yours
+20:06 <@quantumsummers_> very well.
+20:06 <@NeddySeagoon> SFLC Questions (Software Freedom Law Center) 
+20:06 <@quantumsummers_> I have had a couple of nice conversations with SFLC this past 30 days
+20:06 <@quantumsummers_> going in the order of the agenda
+20:06 <@quantumsummers_> 1) 501c3
+20:07 <@NeddySeagoon> You should summarise to t@.g.o not here
+20:07 <@quantumsummers_> still working on it. Need to edit a ton of gentoo foundation web pages
+20:07 <@quantumsummers_> ok
+20:07 <@quantumsummers_> I can write it up
+20:07 <@quantumsummers_> main things then:
+20:07 <@NeddySeagoon> To make sure we protect the client/lawyer relationship 
+20:07 <@quantumsummers_> sure, none of it is terribly private
+20:08 <@quantumsummers_> OIN: its political, no real harm/benefit
+20:08 <@quantumsummers_> I am sort of ambivalent, personally
+20:08 <@NeddySeagoon> Once its in the public domain, it cant be recalled ... but if you are sure, go ahead
+20:08 <@quantumsummers_> I'll email the details
+20:09 <@quantumsummers_> details regarding the required changes]
+20:10 <@quantumsummers_> lets see. cash sponsors policy: looks good. will need minor extension when 501c3 goes into effect
+20:10 <@NeddySeagoon> ok
+20:10 <@quantumsummers_> project funding policy: looks good
+20:10 <@NeddySeagoon> good 
+20:10 <@quantumsummers_> we will need to be careful about ad revenue]
+20:11 <@NeddySeagoon> why ?
+20:11 <@quantumsummers_> its likely to be considered "unrelated business income" which is taxable
+20:11 <@quantumsummers_> and there are limits as to how much we can take in from a single entity
+20:11 <@NeddySeagoon> Even though it comes from large users who want to give something back
+20:12 <@quantumsummers_> yes.
+20:12 <@NeddySeagoon> ok
+20:12 <@quantumsummers_> this may be more a matter of how we attract these funds
+20:13 <@quantumsummers_> and we may be able to change the language to avoid this sort of "penalty"
+20:13 <@NeddySeagoon> that works for me
+20:13 <@quantumsummers_> I plan to pursue this, as there is precedent elsewhere in the oss community
+20:14 <@quantumsummers_> I think we can do something like "reward levels" or something
+20:14 <@NeddySeagoon> ok
+20:14 <@quantumsummers_> which is to say: donate $X and get a "thank you" on the rotating ads thing
+20:14 <@quantumsummers_> something along those lines
+20:14 <@quantumsummers_> easy to implement
+20:15 <@quantumsummers_> anyway, lets see, what else
+20:15 <@NeddySeagoon> Just a wording change then ?
+20:15 <@quantumsummers_> ah yes. dabbott, would you be willing to assist me in editing the foundation web pages?
+20:15 <@dabbott> yes
+20:15 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: a bit more than that, but mostly yes
+20:15 <@quantumsummers_> dabbott: thanks
+20:15 <@dabbott> np
+20:16 <@quantumsummers_> I have a solid idea what needs to change, I plan to start next week
+20:16 <@NeddySeagoon> I can proof read if you want
+20:16 <@quantumsummers_> please sir
+20:17 <@quantumsummers_> regarding accountants. I have not talked with them lately, but have a few tasks for them over the next 30 - 60 days
+20:17 <@quantumsummers_> also, I have started looking for book keepers
+20:17 <@quantumsummers_> they are much cheaper than cpa for the same service
+20:17 <@quantumsummers_> like $100 to $200 per month
+20:17 <@quantumsummers_> versus >$1000
+20:17 <@NeddySeagoon> even for our volume of business ?
+20:17 <@quantumsummers_> so that could be helpful
+20:18 <@quantumsummers_> possibly able to get donated services or have one or two of the accountant volunteers assist
+20:18 <@NeddySeagoon> It would be good to get a volunteer as  $100 to $200 per month is a large part of our income
+20:19 <@quantumsummers_> yes, I know
+20:19 <@quantumsummers_> I hope to get a volunteer, as its not terribly labor intensive
+20:19 <@quantumsummers_> but the basic fees are as stated in the open markety
+20:19 <@NeddySeagoon> Do we need a front page ad ?
+20:19 <@quantumsummers_> no
+20:19 <@NeddySeagoon> ok
+20:19 <@quantumsummers_> I will attempt to manage this privately at first
+20:20 <@quantumsummers_> if we have no luck, then front page
+20:20 <@quantumsummers_> sound ok?
+20:20 <@NeddySeagoon> wfm
+20:20 <@quantumsummers_> ok. good.
+20:20 <@quantumsummers_> letrs see, next: libbash
+20:21  * quantumsummers_ curses the small chicklet kbd
+20:21 <@quantumsummers_> anyway
+20:21 <@quantumsummers_> libbash, I completely forgot about this, I will mention this next week to legal. Sorry
+20:21 <@quantumsummers_> Though, I still think we can move forward with the assignment
+20:22 <@quantumsummers_> in general, in the USA, this is "business as usual"
+20:22 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, you were going to send some papers to Petteri
+20:22 <@quantumsummers_> Assignment papers, I believe
+20:22 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, I think so
+20:22 <@quantumsummers_> Ok, its on my list. I have those
+20:22 <@quantumsummers_> simple enough
+20:23 <@quantumsummers_> again, sorry, its been a tad crazy busy this past month
+20:23 <@quantumsummers_> Alright, next is forums.
+20:23 <@quantumsummers_> as far as I can tell, we are in the clear here
+20:23 <@quantumsummers_> Its all a matter of our "Terms of Use"
+20:24 <@quantumsummers_> let me locate that real quick
+20:24 <@quantumsummers_> seems like I had some comments on that
+20:24 <@quantumsummers_> from legal
+20:24 <@quantumsummers_> gimme a min
+20:26 <@NeddySeagoon> ok
+20:26 <@quantumsummers_> hmm, cannot locate. will email
+20:26 <@quantumsummers_> Main thing, is that we need to state that we are not responsible for what people do in the community forum, and I think we do that.
+20:27 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, I think you have to make an account
+20:27 <@quantumsummers_> no
+20:27 <@quantumsummers_> http://forums.gentoo.org/profile.php?mode=register
+20:27 <@quantumsummers_> that page has it
+20:27 <@quantumsummers_> "While the administrators and moderators of this forum will attempt to remove or edit any generally objectionable material as quickly as possible, it is impossible to review every message. Therefore you acknowledge that all posts made to these forums express the views and opinions of the author and not the administrators, moderators or webmaster (except for posts by these people) and hence will not be held liable."
+20:28 <@quantumsummers_> we might want to re-word this a bit. I will ask legal to assist on Monday. IIRC, some of this language can be made more explicit using contemporary legal language (language from the last 2-3 years)
+20:29 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, that sounds good
+20:29 <@quantumsummers_> ok. never a bad idea to keep up with the times :)
+20:30 <@quantumsummers_> ok, then, is that all for me?
+20:30 <@quantumsummers_> oh, there was another thing, not on the agenda
+20:30 <@NeddySeagoon> Accountant Team Progress ?  or is that covered above ?
+20:30 <@quantumsummers_> above. nothng new there
+20:31 <@NeddySeagoon> ok - my turn
+20:31 <@quantumsummers_> I have tasks for them, will talk more next week
+20:31 <@quantumsummers_> err, wait
+20:31 <@quantumsummers_> please
+20:31 <@NeddySeagoon> ok
+20:31 <@quantumsummers_> I have a question for you
+20:32 <@quantumsummers_> given that I co-signed all the banking paperwork, I would like to take interim authority to write checks during Joshua's leave
+20:32 <@NeddySeagoon> Yes please do
+20:32 <@dabbott> yes
+20:32 <@quantumsummers_> especially since it appears we will have some expenses coming up for hardweare
+20:32 <@quantumsummers_> I think I can expedite that process
+20:33 <@quantumsummers_> also, we need to make sure that Joshua has sent in our paperwork to NM
+20:33 <@NeddySeagoon> ok
+20:33 <@quantumsummers_> very important
+20:33 <@NeddySeagoon> can we check with NM rather than tsunam  ?
+20:34 <@quantumsummers_> well, I looked late last week at the page on state of NM for us, no change
+20:35 <@quantumsummers_> we're good until OCT 15th I belive
+20:35 <@quantumsummers_> all he needs to do is drop the thing int he mail
+20:35 <@NeddySeagoon> can we resend ?  we don't want to go into bad standing again
+20:35 <@quantumsummers_> grr, kbd
+20:35 <@quantumsummers_> huh?
+20:35 <@dabbott> quantumsummers_: can you call him
+20:35 <@quantumsummers_> it needs his sig sa treasurer
+20:36 <@quantumsummers_> *as
+20:36 <@NeddySeagoon> I thought if we filed late we had our good standing revoked
+20:36 <@quantumsummers_> yes, dabbott, I can on Monday
+20:36 <@quantumsummers_> we are not late until OCT 15th
+20:36 <@NeddySeagoon> OK, thanks
+20:36 <@quantumsummers_> it might be Nov 15, come to think of it, let me check
+20:38 <@quantumsummers_> yep Nov 15, we are in good standing until that date
+20:38 <@NeddySeagoon> josh should be back before then
+20:38 <@NeddySeagoon> my turn ?
+20:38 <@quantumsummers_> ok, sure
+20:39  * NeddySeagoon Electronics Book Gentoo Logo Usage (Jordan Force) / more information requested
+20:39 <@NeddySeagoon> I wrote requesting more info - no response yet
+20:39 <@dabbott> I think we can drop it
+20:39 <@NeddySeagoon> I suggest we drop this as it wrote just after the last meeting
+20:40 <@NeddySeagoon> it -> I
+20:40 <@quantumsummers_> Ok.
+20:40 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott - your turn
+20:41 <@dabbott> consultant page is done
+20:41 <@dabbott> Larry contest is going on now no entries as yet
+20:41 <@dabbott> there has been some interest
+20:42 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, you are not on the consultants page ?
+20:42 <@quantumsummers_> guess not, I would like to be :)
+20:42 <@quantumsummers_> I will get with dabbott about that
+20:42 <@NeddySeagoon> Should we register Larry as a Gentoo Mark ?
+20:42 <@dabbott> please send me the info :)
+20:43 <@quantumsummers_> dabbott: will do, thanks
+20:43 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: perhaps a good idea
+20:43 <@dabbott> NeddySeagoon: yes
+20:43 <@dabbott> another legal question
+20:43 <@NeddySeagoon> Lets register the winner of the competition then 
+20:44 <@quantumsummers_> I will talk to legal about it
+20:44 <@dabbott> we need a Gentoo user that is a lawyer we can pester
+20:44 <@NeddySeagoon> It may change the competition rules too. So maybe its too late
+20:44 <@NeddySeagoon> rl03 is still here
+20:44 <@quantumsummers_> dabbott: send any inquiries to me, and I will forward
+20:46 <@dabbott> ok will do
+20:47 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 4 Bugs ... I've not noticed any traffic on our bugs
+20:47 <@dabbott> No new bugs
+20:48 <@NeddySeagoon> No old ones closed ?
+20:48 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 5 New Business
+20:48 <@NeddySeagoon> miranda.dev.gentoo.org funding 
+20:49 <@dabbott> We do not know how much it will cost yet
+20:49 <@quantumsummers_> I like the idea of a larger machine, and usage of VMs
+20:50 <@quantumsummers_> I can say will some certainty what cost would be on 4CPU machine
+20:50 <@dabbott> Do we have the funds to buy instead of rent per month
+20:50 <@NeddySeagoon> What about a home for it too ?
+20:50 <@quantumsummers_> funds, yes, home not certain
+20:51 <@quantumsummers_> now, do we have the funds with the other machines needed, unceratin
+20:51 <@quantumsummers_> it would be nice to have some old machines donated to us
+20:52 <@quantumsummers_> If I could afford the BW, I'd say put them in my datacenter. Unfortunately, I cannot afford the BW at this time
+20:52 <@quantumsummers_> I have the space though. Perhaps soon I will have BW money :|
+20:52 <@quantumsummers_> Robin was talking to a couple of potential sponsors
+20:53 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, it needs to be in OSL or something like that that has a long term low cost future
+20:53 <@quantumsummers_> I would also like to talk to Amazon regarding free developer use of AWS resources
+20:53 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: I agree.
+20:53 <@dabbott> Lets table for email and next meeting once we have more info
+20:53 <@quantumsummers_> ok'
+20:54 <@quantumsummers_> thing is, we need to address the machine needs soon
+20:54 <@NeddySeagoon> We can't rent from GNi for long, so if that goes to the vote, I suggest 1 or 2 months max to sort out something long term.   The shorter the better
+20:54 <@quantumsummers_> or reimburse solar
+20:54 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: sounds good
+20:54 <@NeddySeagoon> I think we need to agree a short term fix now
+20:55 <@NeddySeagoon> Motion ...
+20:56 <@NeddySeagoon> That the Foundation rent miranda for a period not exceeding two months, to allow infra to find an alternative.  If no alternative if found in that period, funding will be withdrawn
+20:57 <@robbat2|na> crap, i'm an hour late aren't I
+20:57 <@dabbott> hi robbat2|na 
+20:57 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, yeah -  DST change ?
+20:57 <@robbat2|na> only in my head
+20:58 <@dabbott> robbat2|na: your thoughts on miranda.dev.gentoo.org funding 
+20:58 <@robbat2|na> I think the new owners of GNi will want too much money unfortuntely
+20:58 <@robbat2|na> a high-end box might be nice, but it's the matter of cost
+20:59 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, any chance of puttong new hardware into OSL ?
+20:59 <@robbat2|na> re potential sponsors, i've only got one more pending, and that's going to be used gear
+21:00 <@robbat2|na> within power constraints yes
+21:00 <@quantumsummers_> we could try to do a fund raiser for this specifically
+21:00 <@robbat2|na> but we're going to need to replace osprey at the same time due to those power constraints
+21:00 <@robbat2|na> since we finished decommisioning warbler+nuthatch at OSL
+21:00 <@NeddySeagoon> what about bandwidth and space ?
+21:01 <@robbat2|na> we have 4.5A, 4 ips, and I think about 4U of space
+21:01 <@quantumsummers_> hmm, I might recommend one of these quad node machines,, uses around ~1500 W, 4 nodes with up to 24 cores each
+21:01 <@NeddySeagoon> 4 ips ?
+21:01 <@robbat2|na> IP addresses are a non-renewable resource yes
+21:02 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, sorry - I'm being thick
+21:02 <@robbat2|na> quantumsummers_, 1500W is way over the 4.5A :-(
+21:02 <@NeddySeagoon> 4.5 a @ 110v or 220 v ?
+21:02 <@quantumsummers_> that is max for the PS, not actual usage
+21:02 <@robbat2|na> 110V
+21:03 <@NeddySeagoon> Oh 500w ...
+21:03 <@quantumsummers_> my bad there. so we are looking at a max of 500W, yikes
+21:03 <@robbat2|na> but note that osprey does need to be replaced as well, and I'd ballpark it's consumption as 2A
+21:03 <@quantumsummers_> all in one go with a quad node
+21:04 <@quantumsummers_> 2U
+21:04  * quantumsummers_ is biased, as I really like mine
+21:04 <@NeddySeagoon> can we talk about the long term on the list.  Meanwhile, how much tinme do we have with GNi as is, and should we buy more time ?
+21:04 <@robbat2|na> solar expected them to try and contact us this coming week
+21:05 <@robbat2|na> i was making sure the rest of the infra boxes are ready to poweroff so I can try to talk for more time
+21:05 <@NeddySeagoon> With a view to biling from 1st October ?
+21:05 <@robbat2|na> unknown, i don't have contacts of my own at the new owners
+21:06 <@robbat2|na> i tried to make some after GNi changed hands, to no avail
+21:06 <@quantumsummers_> miranda is going to be expensive
+21:06 <@NeddySeagoon> how long will it take to get a funded replacement operational ?
+21:06 <@robbat2|na> hardware acquisition plus probably 48 hours
+21:07 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, so < 2 months ?
+21:07 <@robbat2|na> our track record on hardware acquisition sucks
+21:07 <@robbat2|na> so at least a month, if not 3
+21:07 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, if we were funding miranda, it would focus our thoughts
+21:08 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, just before you showed up I proposed  Motion ...
+21:08 <@NeddySeagoon> NeddySeagoon That the Foundation rent miranda for a period not exceeding two months, to allow infra to find an alternative.  If no alternative if found in that period, funding will be withdrawn
+21:08 <@quantumsummers_> robbat2|na: we need to talk with blueness
+21:08 <@NeddySeagoon> Does that sound reasonable ?
+21:09 <@quantumsummers_> he may have some ideas
+21:09 <@robbat2|na> if they offer a reasonable price yes
+21:10 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, its just to buy time to part company without loosing miranda.  If we can find a home for funded hardware
+21:11 <@robbat2|na> proposed: That the Foundation potentially rent miranda for a period not exceeding two months at a reasonable price, to allow infra to find an alternative.  If the price is unreasonable or no alternative if found in that period, funding will be withdrawn.
+21:12 <@NeddySeagoon> What is 'reasonable' ?
+21:12 <@NeddySeagoon> reasonable ->   not exceeding market rates
+21:13 <@robbat2|na> i'd say market rates for that node would be 400-600USD/month
+21:13 <@robbat2|na> mainly unsure of the market rate for the SAN space
+21:14 <@quantumsummers_> what is the BW requirement for miranda
+21:14 <@NeddySeagoon> Are we prepared to pay an 'unreasonable' sum for a few moths for continuity of service ?
+21:15 <@NeddySeagoon> months ?
+21:15 <@robbat2|na> quantumsummers_, i just tried to check, and my login to the website with bandwidth data doesn't work anymore :-(
+21:16 <@quantumsummers_> robbat2|na: blueness may be willing to help out, BW is the issue
+21:16 <@quantumsummers_> they have 5mbit
+21:16 <@quantumsummers_> he is willing to help out with HW, but BW is the issue
+21:18 <@robbat2|na> ok, lets just consider that for now, i'll ask some of the others if we can potentially send a gentoo-owned box to them
+21:18 <@NeddySeagoon> OK - what about the short term voting of funds to keep miranda alive ... if needed.  
+21:18 <@quantumsummers_> yeah.
+21:18 <@robbat2|na> maybe just fix it to a monetary sum?
+21:18 <@dabbott> What is miranda used for, a dev box, build box ?
+21:18 <@quantumsummers_> dabbott: too much to list
+21:19 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2|na, like $1200 ?
+21:19 <@robbat2|na> $1200 sounds good to me
+21:19 <@NeddySeagoon> Motion - The foundation authorises the expenditure of up to $1200 to rent mirada for the short term
+21:20 <@quantumsummers_> seconded
+21:20 <@NeddySeagoon> Vote please
+21:20 <@NeddySeagoon> Aye
+21:20 <@quantumsummers_> aye
+21:20 <@robbat2|na> aye
+21:20 <@dabbott> yes
+21:20 <@NeddySeagoon> Carried.   That gives robbat2|na /solar something to talk to GNi with if they need it
+21:21 <@dabbott> thats $1200 per month
+21:21 <@NeddySeagoon> longer term we need to get a shopping list priced
+21:21 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, $1200 total
+21:21 <@robbat2|na> ok, the only traffic stat I can come up with miranda right now is that in 219 days of uptime, it's used 67GB down, 20GB up
+21:21 <@quantumsummers_> robbat2|na: can you talk with blueness?
+21:21 <@quantumsummers_> ok
+21:21 <@robbat2|na> quantumsummers_, ok, blueness, and my other potentials
+21:21 <@quantumsummers_> ok'
+21:24 <@NeddySeagoon> Can we move on ?
+21:24 <@robbat2|na> yes
+21:24 <@NeddySeagoon> Developer of the month  ...
+21:24 <@NeddySeagoon> Recognition for job well done.
+21:26 <@NeddySeagoon> We have to be careful about pissing people off.  This can do more harm than good.  Also we cannot run the foundation for the benefit of our members, so other than some publicity, what can we do ?
+21:27 <@dabbott> this is more of a pr job, if the newsletter was still donr
+21:27 <@robbat2|na> the DOTM that used to be in GWN was only there to find somebody willing to be interviewed
+21:27 <@robbat2|na> hardly anybody used to respond to the requests
+21:28 <@NeddySeagoon> Ah, ok.  Patrick wanted to get the newsletter going again.  Maybe he is still interested ?
+21:29 <@NeddySeagoon> Similarly for Contributor of the month  ?
+21:29 <@dabbott> same thing yes
+21:29 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, you are our expert in getting people to do interviews :)
+21:29 <@quantumsummers_> fine by me :)
+21:30 <@NeddySeagoon> personally I like the linuxcrazy approach
+21:30 <@NeddySeagoon> Interviews and PR is fine by me
+21:30 <@dabbott> Its all about motivation :)
+21:31 <@robbat2|na> could titling them differently ruffle less feathers?
+21:31 <@robbat2|na> "Developer Spotlight"
+21:31 <@NeddySeagoon> Start a thread in Gentoo Chat asking for volunteers maybe
+21:32 <@NeddySeagoon> or Focus on <project>
+21:34 -!- Arfrever [~Arfrever@gentoo/developer/Arfrever] has joined #gentoo-trustees
+21:35 <@NeddySeagoon> Moving on ...
+21:35 <@NeddySeagoon> Gentoo name in a personal blog  NinGentoo: The way of the Gentoo Ninja  
+21:35 <@NeddySeagoon> Seems harmless
+21:35 <@robbat2|na> it's personal use, +1
+21:36 <@dabbott> fine by me
+21:36 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, ?
+21:36 <@quantumsummers_> fine by me
+21:36 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 6 Membership Applications
+21:36 <@NeddySeagoon> Thomas Beierlein - developer
+21:36 <@NeddySeagoon> +1
+21:36 <@dabbott> yes
+21:37 <@robbat2|na> +1
+21:37 <@quantumsummers_> +1
+21:37 <@NeddySeagoon> Thank you.  I'll write the approval email
+21:37 <@dabbott> NeddySeagoon: thanks
+21:37 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 8  Date of Next Meeting - 17th Oct 2010 19:00 UTC
+21:37 <@robbat2|na> aye
+21:38 <@dabbott> fine here
+21:38 <@quantumsummers_> wfm
+21:38 <@NeddySeagoon> thanks
+21:38 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 9 Any other business ...
+21:39 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, you always have something
+21:39 <@dabbott> quantumsummers_: any of the accountants want to be foundation members
+21:39 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: I will adress things via mail
+21:39 <@quantumsummers_> :)
+21:39 <@dabbott> maybe with a cloak ++
+21:39 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, :)
+21:39 <@quantumsummers_> dabbott: I'll ask 'em
+21:39 <@dabbott> quantumsummers_: keep them interested :)
+21:39 <@quantumsummers_> yessir
+21:39 <@NeddySeagoon> The accountants should be members and maybe Gentoo staffers too
+21:40 <@dabbott> yes seconded
+21:40 <@quantumsummers_> robbat2|na: had a nice talk with Tony, btw, he is looking forward to your email
+21:40 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: I agree
+21:40 <@quantumsummers_> lets see what they say this coming week
+21:40 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, ok
+21:40 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, AoB ?
+21:41 <@robbat2|na> none from me
+21:41 <@dabbott> none here
+21:41 <@NeddySeagoon> none from me
+21:41 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 10 Responsibilities
+21:42 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll post logs and email our new dev member
+21:42 <@NeddySeagoon> Who will update the motions page? 
+21:42 <@dabbott> I will do the motions
+21:42 <@NeddySeagoon> thanks dabbott 
+21:42 <@dabbott> np
+21:42 <@robbat2|na> apologies again for my tardiness
+21:42 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda item 11  Open Floor
+21:43  * NeddySeagoon bangs his gavel to close the meeting
+
diff --git a/2010/20101017_trustees_meeting_log.txt b/2010/20101017_trustees_meeting_log.txt
new file mode 100644
index 0000000..ee2adb9
--- /dev/null
+++ b/2010/20101017_trustees_meeting_log.txt
@@ -0,0 +1,208 @@
+20:21  * NeddySeagoon bangs his gavel to start the 17 October 2010 meeting of The Gentoo Foundation Inc trustees.
+20:21 <@NeddySeagoon> roll call
+20:22 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, dabbott robbat2|na 
+20:22 <@dabbott> here
+20:22 <@NeddySeagoon> I'm logging
+20:22 <@quantumsummers> present
+20:22 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam, sends apologies 
+20:22 <@NeddySeagoon> we have a quorum, so lets start
+20:23 <@quantumsummers> ok
+20:23 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda item 3 Old Business
+20:23 <@NeddySeagoon> Registration New Mexico  dabbott do you have some news ?
+20:24 <@dabbott> I have not heard anything
+20:24 <@quantumsummers> we have less than one month to get that filed
+20:24 <@quantumsummers> I have the original sent from Mr. Chew
+20:25 <@dabbott> The last I heard anything was the email from tsunam 
+20:25 <@quantumsummers> same\
+20:25 <@NeddySeagoon> As over a month has passed, I think its fair to assume that tsunam did not post the docs, or they have been lost.  We can't wait until November.  Can someone call tsunam please
+20:25 <@quantumsummers> I can
+20:25 <@dabbott> thanks quantumsummers 
+20:25 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, thanks.  
+20:25 <@quantumsummers> if he is unable to perform this task, we must have 2 signatures on the doc
+20:26 <@quantumsummers> the treasurer and secretary
+20:26 <@NeddySeagoon> follow up to the alias, or in here.  We cannot wait until the next meeting
+20:26 <@dabbott> I can sign if needed
+20:26 <@quantumsummers> Perhaps we need to appoint an interim treasurer to accomplish this
+20:26 <@NeddySeagoon> the treasurer *is* tsunam 
+20:27 <@quantumsummers> I know.
+20:27 <@dabbott> he should be able to do it
+20:27 <@quantumsummers> I will talk with him
+20:27 <@NeddySeagoon> lets see if tsunam answers the 'phone
+20:28 <@NeddySeagoon> Next item   miranda.dev.gentoo.org funding     this seems to have gone quiet
+20:28 <@quantumsummers> needs to be done, however without access to funds it is quite impossible
+20:28 <@dabbott> I will leave it on the agenda for robbat2's input
+20:29 <@NeddySeagoon> Has there been feedback from solar ?   My email has been giving problems, so I may have missed it
+20:29  * quantumsummers is talking to Josh
+20:30 <@NeddySeagoon> we need timescales and a location for a miranda.dev.gentoo.org replacement
+20:30 <@dabbott> nothing since the original and then I think we got one with the updated price robbat2 said was going to be too much
+20:30 <@quantumsummers> he says next week he will send it
+20:30 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, that was a different isue
+20:30 <@NeddySeagoon> +s
+20:31 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, ok, we can wait until the end of October for NM to update the site
+20:31 <@quantumsummers> ok
+20:32 <@dabbott> ok
+20:32 <@NeddySeagoon> any more on  miranda ?   I think robbat2|na was trying to find a home as we don't have power at OSL
+20:33 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers your bit
+20:33 <@dabbott> NeddySeagoon: yes that is my understanding also
+20:33 <@quantumsummers> just a sec, still talking to Josh
+20:33 <@NeddySeagoon> SFLC Questions (Software Freedom Law Center) 
+20:33 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, ok
+20:37 <@quantumsummers> alrighty
+20:37 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, I hope you didn't get him out of bed, its only just after 11:00am where he lives
+20:37 <@quantumsummers> so, Josh send his best to everyone, he is feeling somewhat better, and hopes to return in 30-60 days
+20:37 <@NeddySeagoon> thats good
+20:38 <@dabbott> +1
+20:38 <@quantumsummers> he is sending me a checkbook, and he promised to send the paperwork to NM, certified, next week. I will follow up
+20:38 <@dabbott> again thanks quantumsummers 
+20:38 <@NeddySeagoon> thanks quantumsummers 
+20:38 <@quantumsummers> that is about it. 
+20:38 <@quantumsummers> ok, so sflc, I have a bunch of stuff so I will dpaste the thing
+20:39 <@NeddySeagoon> ok, 
+20:39 <@quantumsummers> or better, I will email real quick
+20:39 <@dabbott> ok
+20:39 <@NeddySeagoon> err my email is bust dpaste preferred
+20:40 <@NeddySeagoon> I'm learning to use mutt via ssh while I fix it
+20:40 <@dabbott> I just forward to a gmail account helps with spam
+20:40 <@quantumsummers> http://pastebin.com/KbVmgGDK
+20:40 <@quantumsummers> its in your email too
+20:41  * NeddySeagoon reads
+20:41 <@NeddySeagoon> do we have Neddy's CashSponsorsPolicy_Draft.xml on www.g.o?  Nope, its my my devspace
+20:42 <@dabbott> quantumsummers: I will get started on the patches for .xml later today, just slacking anyway
+20:42 <@quantumsummers> dabbott: I can provide the patch, if you wish.
+20:42 <@dabbott> ok better yet
+20:42 <@NeddySeagoon> NO, perhaps change disclaimer a bit ... linux.com has decent example.  Can we just lift it ?  Did the SFLC have a hand in it ?
+20:42 <@quantumsummers> can you put neddys thing in there?
+20:42 <@quantumsummers> we can lift it.
+20:43 <@NeddySeagoon> The SFLC said thats OK ?
+20:43 <@quantumsummers> sflc approves
+20:43 <@NeddySeagoon> ok
+20:43 <@quantumsummers> legal disclaimers are not copywritable
+20:44 <@quantumsummers> anyway, so with those changes, we have our full package for 501c3 pretty much done
+20:44 <@quantumsummers> also, I would like to get Robin's copy for the infra piece before going live
+20:45 <@NeddySeagoon> Can we fix 37 to require only scanned and emailed receipts of is that not good enough ?
+20:46 <@quantumsummers> fine by me
+20:47 <@quantumsummers> These receipts can be mailed to the Foundation treasurer (or acting treasurer) in hard-copy form or scanned and sent via email to {{trustees@}}.
+20:47 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers but is it ok for audits?   In the UK, you need the paper copy still unless it was an all electronic transaction, e.g. air tickets
+20:47 <@dabbott> NeddySeagoon: do you have a link for CashSponsorsPolicy_Draft.xml
+20:48 <@quantumsummers> http://dev.gentoo.org/~neddyseagoon/CashSponsorsPolicy_Draft.xml
+20:49 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, heh, you found it faster than me
+20:49 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: As a general rule, yes.
+20:49 <@quantumsummers> re: audits that is
+20:50 <@quantumsummers> its like a faxed copy, that is good enough
+20:50 <@NeddySeagoon> ok, lets keep thinks electronic if we can.  It saves passing boxes of paperwork around the world when officers change
+20:51 <@quantumsummers> anything else re: sflc?
+20:51 <@quantumsummers> OIN, we are still deferring until Nov.
+20:51 <@NeddySeagoon> I don't think so - that looks pretty comprehensive
+20:52 <@NeddySeagoon> fine.
+20:52 <@quantumsummers> libbash, I have not taken care of yet
+20:52 <@quantumsummers> apologies
+20:52 <@quantumsummers> we have to have a contributor agreement to assign
+20:52 <@quantumsummers> I need to get one from sflc, noting that now
+20:53 <@NeddySeagoon> you were going to update one from your wife, iirc ...
+20:53 <@quantumsummers> yes, it is insufficient
+20:53 <@NeddySeagoon> ok
+20:53 <@dabbott> The contributor is Nathen, not sure of his full name
+20:54 <@quantumsummers> ok, I will talk to Betelgeuse about this as soon as I get a doc from sflc
+20:54 <@quantumsummers> added to the todo list
+20:54 <@NeddySeagoon> ok
+20:54 <@dabbott> perfect
+20:54 <@NeddySeagoon> Accountant Team Progress
+20:54 <+Betelgeuse> dabbott: s/Nathen/Nathan/
+20:54 <@quantumsummers> there has been no action on this since the last meeting, I have been swamped
+20:55 <@quantumsummers> added to the todo list
+20:55 <@NeddySeagoon> Can someone else help ?  I don't want our new found help to think they are not needed
+20:55 <@quantumsummers> sure!
+20:56 <@NeddySeagoon> An email to let them know they are not forgotten would be good
+20:56 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, who and how ?
+20:57 <@quantumsummers> who ever volunteers, and we can get them collaborating on the summary, of which I have approx 30% completed
+20:57 <@quantumsummers> summary/timeline
+20:57 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, I have a little time ...  but I don't know the paperwork
+20:58 <@quantumsummers> I'll get the ball rolling with you and the team early next week
+20:58 <@quantumsummers> the paperwork is well described
+20:58 <@NeddySeagoon> ok
+20:58 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, Larry Graphics Contest Update
+20:59 <@dabbott> quantumsummers: ok or delegate to one of them the one that seems most interested
+20:59 <@dabbott> or + and
+20:59 <@quantumsummers> dabbott: yes, it would be ideal if they led themselves a bit
+20:59 <@dabbott> Not much interest in the contest :(
+21:00 <@dabbott> only one entry, I may have to do it again
+21:00 <@NeddySeagoon> Does it need a relaunch ?
+21:00 <@quantumsummers> we could just use what we have, its pretty iconic as it stands now.
+21:00 <@dabbott> I have only had one person even ask about how it was going etc
+21:01 <@quantumsummers> do we have the larry head in svg?
+21:01 <@NeddySeagoon> with only one entrant ?
+21:01 <@dabbott> quantumsummers: yes http://dev.gentoo.org/~a3li/larry.svg
+21:02 <@quantumsummers> let just use that, its cool imo :D
+21:02 <@quantumsummers> minimalist cool
+21:02 <@NeddySeagoon> whatever we use, we need to register the make
+21:02 <@NeddySeagoon> mark*
+21:03 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda item 4 Bugs   Corrections to corporation filing Bug 296766    covered above
+21:03 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/296766 "Corrections to corporation filing needed as of 2009/12/13"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; ASSI; robbat2@g.o:trustees@g.o
+21:03 <@quantumsummers> this will be closed upon Josh's filing
+21:04 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 5 New Business
+21:04 <@NeddySeagoon> Internship Confirmation ...  oachim Bartosik (ahenobarbi)
+21:04 <@NeddySeagoon> what does this mean ?
+21:04 <@dabbott> Joachim wanted a document for school I think
+21:04 <@quantumsummers> a note that he participated in gsoc?
+21:05 <@quantumsummers> or what?
+21:05 <@quantumsummers> anyone have the email messgage id handy?
+21:06 <@quantumsummers> Betelgeuse Betelgeuse Betelgeuse
+21:07 <@quantumsummers> yeah, so he wants to do an "internship" for school with gentoo, Betelgeuse as his mentor would be responsible for the logging of hours, and signature
+21:07 <@dabbott> I have it here http://paste.pocoo.org/show/276710/
+21:08 <@quantumsummers> I can handle foundation signing of an official doc, but I cannot read polish
+21:09 <@quantumsummers> dabbott: thanks
+21:09 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, the mail offers to send an official translation
+21:10 <@quantumsummers> would be great
+21:10 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, will you take it up with Joachim directly please
+21:10 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: ok.
+21:11 <@dabbott> quantumsummers: do you want me to forward you that email
+21:11 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 6   Membership Applications
+21:11 <@NeddySeagoon> Gentoo Developers
+21:11 <@NeddySeagoon>  Rafael Goncalves Martins (rafaelmartins)
+21:11 <@NeddySeagoon>  Dane Smith (c1pher)
+21:11 <@NeddySeagoon> I vote aye
+21:11 <@quantumsummers> Motion: approve both Rafael Goncalves Martins (rafaelmartins) and Dane Smith (c1pher)
+21:11 <@dabbott> Yes to both
+21:11 <@NeddySeagoon> yes
+21:12 <@quantumsummers> whoa, lag
+21:12 <@quantumsummers> yes to both
+21:12 <@quantumsummers> recorded
+21:12 <@NeddySeagoon> carried.  Can someone write to them please, my email is bust
+21:12 <@quantumsummers> dabbott: would you mind?
+21:12 <@dabbott> sure
+21:12 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 8 Date of Next Meeting - 21st Nov 2010 19:00 UTC
+21:12 <@quantumsummers> I do not have my signing key on this tmp bpx
+21:12 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, thanks
+21:13 <@quantumsummers> thanks David
+21:13 <@dabbott> np date is fine here
+21:13 <@NeddySeagoon> My email client has a memory and CPU leak ... it fetches 5 mails before the OOM kills it
+21:13 <@NeddySeagoon> works for me.
+21:14 <@dabbott> NeddySeagoon: what client
+21:14 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, balsa
+21:14 <@NeddySeagoon> 2.8.4
+21:14 <@quantumsummers> yeah, that is bad behavior from an email clisnt
+21:15 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, you ok with the DoNM ?
+21:15 <@quantumsummers> wfm
+21:15 <@NeddySeagoon> Item 9  Any other business ... 
+21:15 <@NeddySeagoon> None from me
+21:15 <@dabbott> none here
+21:16 <@quantumsummers> None from me (that I can think of anyway)
+21:16 <@NeddySeagoon> Item 10  Responsibilities
+21:16 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll post the log
+21:16 <@dabbott> do we want to check back at the end of the month for NM just to check
+21:16 <@NeddySeagoon> ... but not tonight
+21:16 <@NeddySeagoon> yes
+21:17 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, we can't go into bad standing again.  We might just as well pack up if we do
+21:17 <@dabbott> the 31 is the last day of the month and it is on a Sun
+21:17 <@quantumsummers> That will not happen
+21:18 <@NeddySeagoon> well, 1st Nove then
+21:18 <@NeddySeagoon> -e
+21:18 <@dabbott> I don't want to use Arch or some such
+21:18 <@quantumsummers> I will  email when I talk with Josh again this week
+21:18 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, thanks
+21:18 <@quantumsummers> If he doesn't send next week, we may have to take emergency action.
+21:18 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 11  Open Floor
+21:19 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, yep
+21:19  * dabbott wipes the sweat off his brow
+21:19 <@quantumsummers> Good meeting y'all
+21:19  * NeddySeagoon bangs he gavel to close the meeting
diff --git a/2010/20101128_trustees_meeting_log.txt b/2010/20101128_trustees_meeting_log.txt
new file mode 100644
index 0000000..4290f62
--- /dev/null
+++ b/2010/20101128_trustees_meeting_log.txt
@@ -0,0 +1,282 @@
+18:55  * NeddySeagoon bangs his gavel to open the meeting
+18:55 <@NeddySeagoon> Roll call
+18:55  * quantumsummers_ is present
+18:55 <@dabbott> here
+18:55 <@NeddySeagoon> bloodnoc, is here, so I'm logging
+18:56 <@quantumsummers_> robbat2 tsunam_ ?
+18:56 <@robbat2> pong
+18:56 <@NeddySeagoon> Four - thats a full house for today
+18:56 <@quantumsummers_> nice
+18:56 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 3 Old Business
+18:57 <@NeddySeagoon> Registration New Mexico 
+18:57 <@quantumsummers_> all done and up to date
+18:57 <@NeddySeagoon> tsunam_, posted the paperwork and we have been renewed
+18:58 <@NeddySeagoon> miranda.dev.gentoo.org funding ...    We have a new donor do we still need this ?
+18:58 <@robbat2> dropping it for now, we picked up a somewhat lesser box at a new sponsor
+18:58 <@robbat2> and it's getting setup
+18:58 <@NeddySeagoon> ok - is the miranda workload being spread around ?
+18:59 <@dabbott> great I will remove it for dec
+18:59 <@robbat2> yup, hopefully to two boxes
+18:59 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, does that mean we have nothing at GNI any more ?
+18:59 <@robbat2> specifically, to kookaburra.g.o and vulture.g.o (previously the GSoC box)
+18:59 <@robbat2> there's still two boxes running there, but only because they haven't turned the lights off yet
+19:00 <@robbat2> no essential services remain on them
+19:00 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, should we write to them and tell them ?  and drop their ad at the same time?
+19:00 <@robbat2> i've tried to contact them, but been unsuccessful
+19:01 <@NeddySeagoon> Does anyone in infra still work there ?
+19:01 <@robbat2> nobody
+19:01 <@robbat2> and they've retained none of the old GNi people that I was in contact with
+19:01 <@NeddySeagoon> Just run shutdown -h now  :)
+19:01 <@quantumsummers_> should we power them down?
+19:02 <@robbat2> when it's more final, i'll zero the disks on my way out of them
+19:02 <@quantumsummers_> we do not need them sending us an invoice 
+19:02 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, sounds like a plan
+19:02 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers - your bit  SFLC Questions (Software Freedom Law Center) 
+19:03 <@quantumsummers_> ok, most of what I had to say was in the email 
+19:03 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_ ok - can you post a link for posterity please
+19:03 <@quantumsummers_> the contributor agreement is in the works, I should be able to finish it on Monday
+19:04 <@quantumsummers_> I can recount the important bits here, it was not a public email
+19:04 <@NeddySeagoon> please
+19:05 <@quantumsummers_> so the libbash bit, that will require a contributor agreement.
+19:05 <@quantumsummers_> I have started an adaptation of the apache foundation version, also used by django foundation and others.
+19:06 <@quantumsummers_> Its a good one, sflc approved in general. Once I have the draft complete I will send it off to them for comments, but I do not expect much as its fairly standard
+19:06 <@NeddySeagoon> IS that much work - remove apache, put back Gentoo ... or is it more ?
+19:07 <@quantumsummers_> pretty much find & replace, some language needs changing for the license change from Apache to gplv2
+19:07 <@NeddySeagoon> ok
+19:07 <@quantumsummers_> I have a good idea what to do there, its not a big deal
+19:07 <@quantumsummers_> should take <20mins
+19:07 <@NeddySeagoon> Open Invention Network  ...
+19:08 <@quantumsummers_> OIN, I think this is still the same situation as before. Its mostly political. That said, I see no harm in joining or not joining.
+19:08 <@quantumsummers_> as far as I can see, the sflc has not completed their exposition for OIN, so nothing new their ether
+19:08 <@quantumsummers_> its an interesting development with the upcoming sale of Novel
+19:09 <@NeddySeagoon> I know most of us are ambivalent on this but I think its worth a vote.  I'm slightly in favour of a strong  FOSS (anti) patents organistaion
+19:09 <@NeddySeagoon> Mozilla have joined
+19:09 <@quantumsummers_> shall we have a motion to join?
+19:10 <@NeddySeagoon> yes please
+19:10 <@dabbott> Motion: Join Open Invention Network
+19:10 <@NeddySeagoon> seconded
+19:10 <@quantumsummers_> Please vote
+19:10 <@NeddySeagoon> as a licencee
+19:11 <@NeddySeagoon> ... yes
+19:11 <@dabbott> I see no harm, yes for me
+19:11 <@quantumsummers_> I vote to join as a licensee.
+19:11 <@robbat2> aye
+19:11 <@quantumsummers_> robbat2: thoughts?
+19:12 <@quantumsummers_> ok, motion passes. Who wishes to contact them?
+19:12 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, dabbott as a licencee ?
+19:12 <@dabbott> yes
+19:12 <@robbat2> yes
+19:13 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll write to them - as long as my main box doesn't go down again
+19:13 <@NeddySeagoon> Accountant Team Progress
+19:14 <@quantumsummers_> Ok, NeddySeagoon, I still need to email them to let them know you will work with them on things
+19:14 <@quantumsummers_> I have not had a chance to do it yet. On my Monday list
+19:14 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, sooner rather than later, so they don't loose interest
+19:15 <@quantumsummers_> I understand, and agree.
+19:16 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2  DNS / BIND progress
+19:17 <@robbat2> idl0r and I are working on it, just trying to figure out one thing re having a better audit trail at the moment, if that fails, we'll just use nsupdate directly, and have the same level of auditability as ultradns
+19:17 <@robbat2> relatedly, can I have a hand with writing the letter to UltraDNS
+19:17 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, you want to write and I'll review or the otherway around ?
+19:18 <@robbat2> i'll write and you can edit+review
+19:18 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, sure
+19:18 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, Larry Graphics Contest Update
+19:19 <@dabbott> We had 2 entries, both are graphic artists +1
+19:19 <@dabbott> The graphics needs to be redone or new created to be put on t-shirts to follow cafepress's way of doing it
+19:19 <@NeddySeagoon> dabbott, joint winners and two T-shirts ?
+19:19 <@dabbott> The contest was for 3 and 3 t-shirts but now 2 and 3 shirts
+19:20 <@NeddySeagoon> seems good
+19:20 <@dabbott> Alex (a3li) is going to work with them in a few weeks once he finishes a project he is currently busy with.
+19:20 <@dabbott> Both artists are willing to do what it takes to help out.
+19:20 <@NeddySeagoon> I'm looking for some gear to wear to FOSDEM too
+19:21 <@dabbott> Once we have their graphics on a shirt available on cafepress I told them we "Trustees" would honor the contest rules and gladly give them their 3 free t-shirts
+19:21 <@quantumsummers_> should we have them do a contrib agreement?
+19:21 <@dabbott> quantumsummers_: sure just let me know the details
+19:21 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, I think that was part of the rules of the competion
+19:21 <@dabbott> There is enough money currently in the cafepress account to cover this expense.
+19:22 <@quantumsummers_> ok I think the lic would be creative commons, I can do that one when I do the gplv2 version
+19:22 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, Did tsunam send you some cheques  ?
+19:22 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: yes I have checks
+19:22 <@quantumsummers_> and cheques
+19:22 <@NeddySeagoon> heh
+19:22 <@dabbott> :)
+19:23 <@NeddySeagoon> two nations divided by a common language :)
+19:23 <@quantumsummers_> :)
+19:23 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 4 Bugs
+19:24 <@NeddySeagoon> Funding Request  Jeremy Olexa
+19:24 <@quantumsummers_> +1 from me
+19:24 <@NeddySeagoon> The link is broken for me
+19:24 <@robbat2> +1 from me, if he wants a bigger drive, the cost differential is tiny
+19:25 <@quantumsummers_> yeah, I agree with robbat2, there are 1TB drives for $90
+19:25 <@robbat2> the cost on the drive he wanted has dropped to $34.99 now I see
+19:25 <@NeddySeagoon> I've found the bug ... +1 from me
+19:25 <@dabbott> +1 
+19:26 <@NeddySeagoon> Approved.  Do we want to reimbuse him or buy the drive and have it shipped to him
+19:26 <@quantumsummers_> ok, so I will reimburse darkside1 when he provides a digital receipt. That work for everyone
+19:26 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, yes
+19:26 <@quantumsummers_> or I can buy it & have it shipped (reimburse myself)
+19:26 <@quantumsummers_> either way is fine.
+19:26 <@quantumsummers_> darkside1: what would you like to do?
+19:26 <@robbat2> no objections to telling him to get a bigger one?
+19:27 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, talk to  darkside1, agree between yourselves
+19:27 <@robbat2> he's not around that much on weekends
+19:27 <@dabbott> do we need a motion?
+19:27 <@quantumsummers_> ok. a bigger one is fine.
+19:27 <@quantumsummers_> just lets spend less than $100
+19:27 <@NeddySeagoon> A bigger one is ok by me.  You get a lot of code ona 1Tb drive
+19:27 <@quantumsummers_> dabbott I think we are fine without a formal motion
+19:28 <@dabbott> ok
+19:28 <@NeddySeagoon> agreed to $100 limit
+19:28 <@robbat2> the 1TB version of what he wanted is $49.99 right now
+19:28 <@robbat2> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148433
+19:28 <@NeddySeagoon> he could just about get a raid1 set for $100 then :)
+19:29 <@quantumsummers_> ok, so lets just give him a budget of $100 and let him figure it out. Sound ok?
+19:29 <@robbat2> sure
+19:29 <@dabbott> yes 
+19:29 <@NeddySeagoon> yes
+19:29 <@NeddySeagoon> carried
+19:30 <@quantumsummers_> ok, I'll email him here in a sec (CC trustees@)
+19:30 <@robbat2> next bug was corrections to corp filing
+19:30 <@NeddySeagoon> Corrections to corporation filing Bug 296766 - this can progress now we are otherwise up to date with NM
+19:30 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/296766 "Corrections to corporation filing needed as of 2009/12/13"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; ASSI; robbat2@g.o:trustees@g.o
+19:31 <@NeddySeagoon> I haven't heard from tsunam - can anyone else do this ?
+19:33 <@quantumsummers_> was this not updated with our last filing?
+19:34 <@NeddySeagoon> No.  Its two separate filings
+19:34 <@dabbott> I don't know the procedure, does the agent contact NMPRC
+19:35 <@quantumsummers_> Ok, I'll handle it. I should be able to do this. If I need Joshua's sig, I can mail it to him
+19:35 <@NeddySeagoon> Lets check out tsunam.  If he is back in December, he can do it then
+19:35 <@quantumsummers_> I'll call the state of NM on Monday, see what we need to do.
+19:36 <@quantumsummers_> no biggie
+19:36 <@dabbott> thanks quantumsummers_ 
+19:36 <@NeddySeagoon> Do we want a new 'Contact outside NM' ?
+19:36  * quantumsummers_ adds another to the Monday list :)
+19:36 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: we should have one
+19:36  * NeddySeagoon adds another Monday to quantumsummers_ week
+19:36 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: if onlythat were possible
+19:37 <@quantumsummers_> Further, I would be happy to put my business address on there 
+19:37 <@NeddySeagoon> I vote for an address in the USA - but you can use mine if you wish
+19:37 <@dabbott> that would be good ^^^
+19:37 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, That would be good
+19:37 <@NeddySeagoon> thanks
+19:37 <@quantumsummers_> Ok. I will see what needs to be done there.
+19:37 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, thank you 
+19:37 <@quantumsummers_> my pleasure
+19:38 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 5 New Business Hardened Projects' Documentation
+19:39 <@NeddySeagoon> whats the issue ?
+19:39 <@quantumsummers_> ok, so there are some older docs that appear to have no license 
+19:39 <@quantumsummers_> we are updating the docs for the hardened proj
+19:40 <@quantumsummers_> and we would like some guidance on how to proceed w.r.t. using potentially non-licensed content.
+19:40 <@NeddySeagoon> We can't relicence studd without the copyright holders agreement - that would be everyone on the authors list
+19:40 <@quantumsummers_> OR can we assume that since its no www.g.o that it is licensed under CC-SA
+19:41 <@NeddySeagoon> studd -> stuff
+19:41 <@quantumsummers_> robbat2 had some thoughts here, I think
+19:41 <@dabbott> s/no/on
+19:41 <@NeddySeagoon> There are various versions of CC-SA 
+19:42 <@robbat2> my thoughts were that the site already had a blanket CC-SA
+19:42 <@quantumsummers_> ok, that is what I thought too.
+19:42 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, was that in pace when the docs were published or does it post date the docs ... 
+19:42 <@robbat2> hmm, that's a good question
+19:43 <@robbat2> one sec, seeing if I can dig up where
+19:43 <@robbat2> *when
+19:43 <@NeddySeagoon> If all the authors will respond to email, the cleanest way to to attempt contact with a proposal
+19:44 <@quantumsummers_> some docs go back to 2005
+19:45 <@dabbott> did solar start the project?
+19:46 <@robbat2> bug 212021 mentions some the issue too
+19:46 < willikins> robbat2: https://bugs.gentoo.org/212021 "Consider switching to Creative Commons BY-SA 3.0"; Documentation, New Documentation; RESO, CANT; grahl@g.o:trustees@g.o
+19:47 <@robbat2> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/gdp/doc/doc-policy.xml covers items done by GDP
+19:47 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, that was to relicence under a later version of the CA licence
+19:49 <@NeddySeagoon> Legal Issues.  Every document published by the Gentoo Documentation Project must be licensed by the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License. 
+19:49 <@NeddySeagoon> That can only apply from the time that phrase was added to the doc
+19:49 <@robbat2> that phase is at least as old as: Thu Aug 26 16:16:04 2004 UTC
+19:50 <@robbat2> the file was moved to that location then
+19:50 <@quantumsummers_> in that case we are good afaict
+19:50 <@robbat2> IFF the documents were by the GDP team
+19:50 <@NeddySeagoon> So it clearly applies to docs dated after  Aug 26 16:16:04 2004 UTC.
+19:50 <@robbat2> quantumsummers_, which hardened files?
+19:51 <@quantumsummers_> solar is an author on a bunch, and pappy too
+19:51 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, ask them
+19:51 <@quantumsummers_> robbat2: I'll have to put together a list of those in question
+19:51 <@robbat2> etdyn.xml is dated aug 2003
+19:51 <@robbat2> so I need to go further back
+19:52 <@NeddySeagoon> Can we take that outside the meeting please
+19:52 <@robbat2> ok
+19:52 <@quantumsummers_> ok, give me some time to get some info together
+19:52 <@quantumsummers_> I have the guy working on it now
+19:53 <@NeddySeagoon> Internship Confirmation
+19:54 <@NeddySeagoon> Is this any different to dev certificate - but for a different role ?
+19:55 <@quantumsummers_> hmm, there is paperwork to sign.
+19:55 <@quantumsummers_> which I am happy doing.
+19:55 <@quantumsummers_> also, iirc, the mentor will have to sign off
+19:55 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, thanks ... do you need a third monday in your week?
+19:56 <@dabbott> from his email;
+19:56 <@quantumsummers_> perhaps :D
+19:56 <@dabbott> I asked the person who handles internships on my university and a
+19:56 <@dabbott> certificate (like the one you sent previously) and a internship log (in
+19:56 <@dabbott> English, signed by Alex or Petteri) will be enough.
+19:56 <@quantumsummers_> ah, great.
+19:56 <@quantumsummers_> So, he needs a certificate of completion?
+19:57 <@NeddySeagoon> That gets rid of the translation issue
+19:57 <@quantumsummers_> I am thinking about writing a webapp that will let us auto-create these certs.
+19:57 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, for one or two a year, is it worth the effor ?
+19:57 <@quantumsummers_> should be easy enough with ... reportlab & python win1
+19:57 <@NeddySeagoon> +t
+19:57 <@quantumsummers_> if its easy, then yes. :)
+19:58 <@NeddySeagoon> heh
+19:58 <@quantumsummers_> not a high priority
+19:58 <@dabbott> NeddySeagoon: he has alot of free time on Mondays :)
+19:58 <@quantumsummers_> but, we could use it to give devs the ability to create their own certs with ldap data
+19:58 <@NeddySeagoon> heh
+19:58 <@quantumsummers_> iif robbat2 would let me access that data :P
+19:59 <@NeddySeagoon> No SW design during meetings :)
+19:59 <@quantumsummers_> anyway, could be a fun little side pri=oj
+19:59 <@robbat2> the public fraction of the data is all in userinfo.xml
+19:59 <@quantumsummers_> err, proj ... yeah. please proceed
+19:59 <@robbat2> RESO OFFTOPIC
+19:59 <@NeddySeagoon> heh
+20:00 <@robbat2> so quantumsummers_ is handling that
+20:00 <@robbat2> next we have membership applications
+20:00 <@quantumsummers_> +1 to the new devs
+20:00 <@NeddySeagoon> Membership Applications Eray Aslan and Matt Turner.  These were voted on the ml but my main box died, so I didn;t write the emails nor fix the ACL here
+20:01 <@robbat2> aye for both of them
+20:01 <@dabbott> yes to both
+20:01 <@NeddySeagoon> yes
+20:01 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll write the emails now by system is up.
+20:02 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 8  Date of Next Meeting - 19th Dec 2010 19:00 UTC
+20:02 <@quantumsummers_> sorry to say, but that is not going to work as I had hoped
+20:02 <@quantumsummers_> for me anyway
+20:02 <@quantumsummers_> how about the week prior?
+20:02 <@dabbott> fine here
+20:03 <@robbat2> checking my cal
+20:03 <@dabbott> 12
+20:03 <@NeddySeagoon> 12th Dec?  Thats the day after my wedding anaversary ... it will probably be ok
+20:03 <@quantumsummers_> during the week would be fine too, for me anyway
+20:03 <@robbat2> fine for me on the 12th
+20:04 <@NeddySeagoon> Lets make it 12 Dec at the usual time
+20:04 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: that sounds like it may be trouble :D
+20:04 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, after 32 years, as long as I remember, I'll be ok :)
+20:04 <@dabbott> heh
+20:05 <@quantumsummers_> :) congrats sir, quite an accomplishment
+20:05 <@robbat2> remembering is what the calendar is for ;-)
+20:05 <@robbat2> congrats for so many years
+20:05 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, thanks - its been hard work at times but worth it
+20:05 <@quantumsummers_> I'm working on 5 years, and its been a ton of work. I would like to think it gets easier, but my optimism fails there. ;)
+20:06 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 9 Any other business ...
+20:06 <@quantumsummers_> none from me, ah ha!
+20:06 <@robbat2> none from me
+20:06 <@NeddySeagoon> I have 1 item
+20:06 <@dabbott> go ahead none here
+20:07 <@NeddySeagoon> The recording date for next years trustee elections.  I propose the close of our Jan 2011 meeting.  
+20:07 <@quantumsummers_> +1
+20:07 <@robbat2> +1
+20:07 <@dabbott> yes
+20:07 <@NeddySeagoon> Carried
+20:07 <@quantumsummers_> hard to believe its been 2 years already
+20:08 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, its retire by rotaion mind - so we have continuity
+20:08 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda item 10 Responsibilities 
+20:08 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll post the log, write to OIN and our new members
+20:08 <@dabbott> I will do the motions
+20:09 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers_, that leaves you fixing NM
+20:09 <@robbat2> quantumsummers_, if you can identify the hardened docs that need license stuff, i can help you with that
+20:09 <@robbat2> i've got DNS and the miranda replacement
+20:09 <@quantumsummers_> NeddySeagoon: yessir
+20:09 <@quantumsummers_> robbat2: working on it now
+20:09 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 11 - Open Floor
+20:11  * NeddySeagoon bangs his gavel to close the meeting
diff --git a/2010/20101212_trustees_meeting_log.txt b/2010/20101212_trustees_meeting_log.txt
new file mode 100644
index 0000000..b65d1be
--- /dev/null
+++ b/2010/20101212_trustees_meeting_log.txt
@@ -0,0 +1,265 @@
+18:53  * NeddySeagoon banges the gavel to open the meeting
+18:53 <@NeddySeagoon> Roll call
+18:53 <@dabbott> here
+18:53 <@robbat2> awake
+18:53  * quantumsummers is present
+18:53  * NeddySeagoon is logging
+19:00 <@NeddySeagoon> We have a quorum ... lets go
+19:00 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 3 Old Business
+19:01 <@NeddySeagoon> Recording Date ...   I thought this was settled under AOB last month ?
+19:01 <@quantumsummers> It was.
+19:02 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers your turn then
+19:02 <@quantumsummers> ok.
+19:02 <@NeddySeagoon> SFLC Questions (Software Freedom Law Center)  
+19:02 <@quantumsummers> 1. still reviewing our application. Will pass to sflc after Jan 1st.
+19:02 <@quantumsummers> App is pretty much complete however
+19:03 <@NeddySeagoon> It disappointing its so slow
+19:03 <@quantumsummers> I know. I've not had as much time to work on it as I would like to have
+19:03 <@NeddySeagoon> can you email it to trustees@ ?
+19:03 <@quantumsummers> sure.
+19:04 <@NeddySeagoon> Thanks - its really for my own curiousity, since I've not been a party to this before
+19:04 <@quantumsummers> Its at my office, so it might be Monday before I can get at it.
+19:04 <@NeddySeagoon> fine
+19:04 <@quantumsummers> Its an interesting process. I would be curious to know what differences exist for this in EU
+19:04 <@NeddySeagoon> Open Invention Network.  The paperwork is done, dabbot was working a press release
+19:04 <@quantumsummers> Sorry its taking me so long
+19:05 <@quantumsummers> Press release went out, at least to gentoo news
+19:05 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, Gentoo never gets above 3rd on any list of priorities
+19:05 <@dabbott> Its all done posted to front page g.o
+19:05 <@quantumsummers> http://www.gentoo.org/news/20101206-OIN-announcement.xml
+19:06 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I still feel bad its taken so long, meh.
+19:06 <@NeddySeagoon> its been very quiet, I thought it might have provoked some discussion
+19:06 <@NeddySeagoon> libbash license (GSOC)
+19:06 <@quantumsummers> oddly, I have not seen anything anywhere else about our joining
+19:06 <@quantumsummers> libbash, I have the CLA done. Sent it off to sflc for their review. Not had a chance to follow up.
+19:07 <@quantumsummers> its fairly standard, so I do not expect much from them. I do want an OK though
+19:07 <@NeddySeagoon> keep Petteri in the picture
+19:07 <@quantumsummers> will do
+19:07 <@NeddySeagoon> Accountant Team Progress
+19:07 <@quantumsummers> as a side note, I had my lawyer look at it & he thought it was fine
+19:09 <@quantumsummers> nothing required at the moment. Given Joshua's wishes (and non-response to Neddy on his request for a bit more than 0 notice), I think we should figure out who will take care of treasurer first, then have that person get involved with the accountant volunteers
+19:09 <@quantumsummers> I was able to work up what was needed for our app with my cpa
+19:09 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, he did respond, but just to me.  Hes considering it
+19:09 <@quantumsummers> ah, didn;t see that
+19:10 <@quantumsummers> ok. in any event we need a plan for the future
+19:10 <@quantumsummers> this is troubling to me, as without him, I am the only signatory 
+19:10 <@NeddySeagoon> What about getting one of the Accountant Team on board to fill some of the slack, as an officer ?
+19:10 <@quantumsummers> if I were to keel, it would be trouble
+19:11 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: +1 sounds like a good idea
+19:11 <@dabbott> +1
+19:11 <@NeddySeagoon> Who besides Josh has worked with them ?
+19:11 <@quantumsummers> robbat2 had some interest in the finances (based on statements from his bid in the election)
+19:11 <@robbat2> I wanted to track the numbers more
+19:11 <@quantumsummers> I have emailed with them
+19:11 <@quantumsummers> the acct volunteers that is
+19:12 <@robbat2> since i'm not in the US, i'm not sure if that has an implication on who treasurer is
+19:12 <@NeddySeagoon> I would like to keep tsunam around long enough to help with the handover but not have him start anything new
+19:12 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, I can't be, I'm not permitted to operate a USD accounf
+19:12 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: I will get us setup for monthly downloads of our transactions, etc. Perhaps we can do something to store/access those files
+19:13 <@NeddySeagoon> we need something more short term
+19:13 <@robbat2> quantumsummers, ok, tracking the data is what I wanted to be involved in
+19:13 <@quantumsummers> I have checks (and cheques) and access to the bank (my name is on the account)
+19:13 <@quantumsummers> so, short term I think we are in fine shape
+19:13 <@quantumsummers> nothing outstanding that I am aware of
+19:14 <@robbat2> just bus factor
+19:14 <@quantumsummers> I sent the check to Jeremy re: HDD
+19:07 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, work out what you can offload to an officer and see if you can get one (or more) of the accounatnts to volunteer
+19:07 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: +1 more eyes the better
+19:08 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: +1 I will try, though with the holidays we may not get much assist until after Jan 1st. (which is fine really)
+19:08 <@NeddySeagoon> yep ... as long as you don't follow ferris
+19:09 <@quantumsummers> as usual, my cpa is fine with taking a look from time to time. I think she isn't even charging
+19:09 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I do not plan to :)
+19:09 <@quantumsummers> well, at least for another 50 years or so
+19:09 <@robbat2> nobody plans to die for a long time
+19:09 <@quantumsummers> lolz
+19:09 <@quantumsummers> true
+19:09 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, your CPA working that way is fine, if she is charging, we want the bill, not your business
+19:10 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, heh, I'm 57
+19:10 <@quantumsummers> no worries for now. if she says its gonna cost, I will ask first before proceeding
+19:10 <@quantumsummers> ask the board that is
+19:10 <@NeddySeagoon> fine, don't pick up the tab yourself is all I'm saying
+19:10 <@quantumsummers> sure, what I have incurred to date is negligible.
+19:10 <@NeddySeagoon> Internship Confirmation
+19:11 <@quantumsummers> I mailed Raty about this, not heard back that I recall. Let me look though to make sure
+19:12 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, DNS / BIND progress ... you were going to compose a thank you for me to review too ...
+19:12 <@robbat2> yes, I was going to compose it, and haven't yet
+19:12 <@quantumsummers> ok, so its on the intern now to provide paperwork for Petteri to sign
+19:12 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, thanks
+19:12 <@robbat2> i haven't done much work on the BIND itself, work and the holiday season has kept me busy
+19:12 <@quantumsummers> its a bad time of year to do too much.
+19:13 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: if I draft something up, will that help?
+19:13 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, do you want to say a few words about progress ?
+19:13 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, are you sure you have the time ?
+19:13 <@robbat2> quantumsummers, that would be most useful
+19:13 <@robbat2> but i'll probably get to it this week
+19:13 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: ok, I think I have most of the info needed, you can spit polish & send
+19:13 <@robbat2> my calender is looking mostly empty
+19:13 <@quantumsummers> lucky you
+19:13 <@robbat2> last week's calender was full
+19:14 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, git migration then :)
+19:14 <@quantumsummers> ooooooooh :P
+19:14 <@robbat2> i haven't look at that, but donnie did find a good potential incremental migration tool
+19:14 <@quantumsummers> nice. nice. nice.
+19:14 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, I was just teasing
+19:14 <@robbat2> and we had a useful discussion about partitioning history
+19:14 <@robbat2> so that the packfile issue goes away
+19:15 <@robbat2> specifically, like the linux kernel had a historical packfile available, we'd do that same
+19:15 <@robbat2> that's everything from me
+19:15 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 4 Bugs
+19:15 <@NeddySeagoon> Bug 296766
+19:15 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/296766 "Corrections to corporation filing needed as of 2009/12/13"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; ASSI; robbat2@g.o:trustees@g.o
+19:15 <+jmbsvicetto> if it helps, some of the KDE teams are planning to do the same - put history on a separate repo
+19:16 <@NeddySeagoon> Lets leave that bug until after the election
+19:16  * NeddySeagoon bangs the gavel on jmbsvicettos fingers :)
+19:16 <@robbat2> that's still 3 months away to the close of the election
+19:17 <@quantumsummers> lol, ok. so I started the process for that
+19:17 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, its been open for 9 months already.  Do we wnat to fix it now and potentially again, after the election ?
+19:18 <@quantumsummers> called the state, I have to fill out a form & send it back. I may have to get Josh's sig too, maybe. Apparently I was not talking to the most knowledgeable person in the office. The instructions for the form are more detailed.
+19:18 <@NeddySeagoon> Thats assuming we actually have a vote this year
+19:18 <@quantumsummers> Its in the mail to me as of middle of last week
+19:18 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, just do it then, since its started
+19:18 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: just read your comment, you want me to wait on that?
+19:18 <@quantumsummers> its really a simple process
+19:19 <@quantumsummers> we can do it as many times as we need
+19:19 <@robbat2> let's do it now to get Josh's signature before he becomes even harder to reach
+19:19 <@NeddySeagoon> ok, continue with it
+19:19 <@quantumsummers> if needed, we will take care of it ASAP+100
+19:19 <@NeddySeagoon> Bug 343975
+19:20 < willikins> NeddySeagoon: https://bugs.gentoo.org/343975 "Funding Request: SATA HDD for ARMv7 Development"; Gentoo Linux, Unspecified; ASSI; darkside@g.o:trustees@g.o
+19:20 <@NeddySeagoon> I guess this is closed
+19:20 <@quantumsummers> I will close it when I hear from Jeremy that he has deposited the check I sent
+19:21 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 6 (there being no new business) Membership Applications
+19:21 <@NeddySeagoon> I propose that the 3 applicants are accepted 
+19:21 <@dabbott> yes to all
+19:21 < darkside_> i'll deposit the check this week (expecting in the mail tomorrow)
+19:22 <@NeddySeagoon> robbat2, quantumsummers ?
+19:22 <@quantumsummers> darkside_: let me know when its in.
+19:22 <@robbat2> aye
+19:22 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: approve all three
+19:22 < darkside_> nod
+19:22 <@NeddySeagoon> We have 3 new members.  I'll write to them
+19:23 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 8  Date of Next Meeting - 16th Jan 2011 19:00 UTC
+19:23 <@dabbott> fine here
+19:23 <@quantumsummers> looks good to me
+19:23 <@NeddySeagoon> wfm
+19:23 <@NeddySeagoon> Thats back to the third Sunday in the month
+19:24 <@robbat2> aye fine with me
+19:24 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 9 Any other business ...
+19:24 <@robbat2> jmbsvicetto, ^^^
+19:25 <@quantumsummers> Jorge, so I hear you want some disks or something?
+19:25 <+jmbsvicetto> So, if we wanted to ask funding for some dvds for FOSDEM when would be the latest that we would have to do it?
+19:25 <@dabbott> his fingers are sore
+19:25 <+jmbsvicetto> dabbott: yes ;)
+19:26 <@NeddySeagoon> jmbsvicetto, we would like 6 weeks to get DVDs made ... so time is pressing
+19:26 <+jmbsvicetto> likewhoa finished a new revision yesterday. He's about to ask users to test it
+19:26 <+jmbsvicetto> right
+19:26 <@robbat2> Jorge: were you going to find pressing in the EU, or just get reimbursed?
+19:26 <+jmbsvicetto> As we're not going to have a booth, would it make sense to fill such a request?
+19:26 <@robbat2> err
+19:26 <@quantumsummers> jmbsvicetto: are you planning to line up the service & jus have us pay?
+19:26 <@robbat2> i double-failed
+19:26 <+jmbsvicetto> I was going to ask you who do you know that could do it
+19:27 <+jmbsvicetto> I don't know anyone who can do it
+19:27 <@quantumsummers> jmbsvicetto: I found a couple different companies online that do it. Nothing too special. decent deal for copies, the pressing is expensive
+19:27 <@NeddySeagoon> I think we have a licencee in the EU somewhere
+19:27 <@quantumsummers> so, if its just duplication its cheap, mastered/pressed not cheap
+19:28 <+jmbsvicetto> I could burn a few dvds to take with me, but I don't have a pressing kit to print labels for them
+19:28 <@quantumsummers> the dups get labels, a3li has nice artwork for it
+19:28 <@NeddySeagoon> jmbsvicetto, we can get 100 or so made with printed labels but you wan't want them sent to your home address 
+19:28 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I think you are correct. Lets look at that, might get a better deal
+19:28 <+jmbsvicetto> we have artwork for the dvds as well. We do need to think if / how we want to label the release
+19:29 <@dabbott> LinuxPusher could do it, he gae us the laptop badges  http://www.linuxpusher.com/distributions/Gentoo-Linux
+19:29 <+jmbsvicetto> 10.X is old
+19:29 <@quantumsummers> sure.
+19:29 <@quantumsummers> dabbott he is in canada right?
+19:29 <@NeddySeagoon> It needs to be called 11.0 now
+19:29 <@dabbott> no denmark
+19:29 <@robbat2> linuxpusher is denmark iirc
+19:29 <@quantumsummers> perfect then
+19:29 <+jmbsvicetto> NeddySeagoon: if possible, getting them to Brussels would be better. I don't know if we could get them handed to the Hotel
+19:29 <@robbat2> and his site also seems to be down for me
+19:29 <@robbat2> ah, just slow
+19:29 <@NeddySeagoon> jmbsvicetto, probably.  
+19:30 <@quantumsummers> also, jmbsvicetto email me your address, I have some sticker badges you can give away as well
+19:30 <+jmbsvicetto> NeddySeagoon: some people showed an interest in not having numbered releases
+19:30 <@NeddySeagoon> Then we divide up the leftovers to take them home
+19:30 <+jmbsvicetto> quantumsummers: sure
+19:30 <@quantumsummers> I'll mail them out early next week via airpost
+19:30 <@NeddySeagoon> jmbsvicetto, how many DVDs ?
+19:31 <@dabbott> There is still some bugs on the latest LiveDVD it may not be ready
+19:31 <@quantumsummers> jmbsvicetto: as we have a rolling release distro, why would it be bad to have a version on a disk, which indicates important info like how old it is?
+19:31 <@dabbott> speakup, wireless
+19:31 <@quantumsummers> (which I note that other distros are starting to pick up the rolling release bit too, as it is wise :) )
+19:32 <+jmbsvicetto> quantumsummers: mailed you my address
+19:32 <+jmbsvicetto> NeddySeagoon: 100 / 200 ?
+19:32 <@robbat2> i need to vanish in about 2 minutes for something
+19:32 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, thats what we need a quote for then
+19:33 <+jmbsvicetto> I'm not against the numbers, but some people didn't like it. iirc, solar preferred a different naming scheme
+19:33 <@quantumsummers> jmbsvicetto: got it
+19:33 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon, jmbsvicetto that number will cost ~200 - 300 USD for duplications
+19:33 <+jmbsvicetto> NeddySeagoon: even though I don't know if we'll give up that many without a booth
+19:33 <@quantumsummers> we can get a nice discount for ~500 units
+19:34 <@quantumsummers> robbat2: have a good one
+19:34 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, does thing include DVD cases and a printed insert ?
+19:34 <@quantumsummers> i think so, yes
+19:34 <@robbat2> back in 45 minutes anyway, gone
+19:34 <+jmbsvicetto> quantumsummers: iirc, there's another EU event soon
+19:35 <@quantumsummers> it will be cheaper to get 500, then we have them all year (or until they are outdated)
+19:35 <+jmbsvicetto> ok
+19:36 <+jmbsvicetto> So is NeddySeagoon the only one of you that's going to FOSDEM?
+19:36 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, get the quotes.  500DVDs is a lot to have to carry out of Brussels.
+19:36 <@NeddySeagoon> jmbsvicetto, I'm the only one on the right contenent :)
+19:36 <+jmbsvicetto> NeddySeagoon: hehe
+19:37 <+jmbsvicetto> If we could get a few devs from different places to take a few back with them, it would be easier to carry them out
+19:37 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: we can send them to your house, you can store them :D
+19:37 <+jmbsvicetto> I'm sure they'll be *cool* ;)
+19:37 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, I can store some, 
+19:37 <@quantumsummers> ok, NeddySeagoon, robbat2, I have the receipt from darkside_ already
+19:38 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, lovely
+19:38 <@quantumsummers> he just didn't want his addy in public
+19:38 <@quantumsummers> 69.99 USD for his HDD
+19:38 <@NeddySeagoon> seems fair
+19:38 <@quantumsummers> very good use of the budget we gave, 1TB seagate I think
+19:38 <@quantumsummers> should last him awhile
+19:38 < darkside_> indeed, thx for the vote of confidence too. very appreciated
+19:39 <@quantumsummers> darkside_: have fun and thanks for your efforts!
+19:39 <@NeddySeagoon> Sounds a good price, they are ?69.99 here but computer kit prices have always been like that
+19:40 <@NeddySeagoon> Any other business ... from anyone else
+19:40 <@NeddySeagoon> Nothing from me
+19:40 <@quantumsummers> none from me
+19:40 <+jmbsvicetto> about the "pending" election, I should talk to you soon to start thinking about it
+19:40 <@dabbott> nothing more from me
+19:40 <@NeddySeagoon> jmbsvicetto, the usual thing is nominations in Feb and Voting in March
+19:41 <@quantumsummers> jmbsvicetto: I think its Robin and I up for re-election, then we will need to elect someone to Josh's seat
+19:41 <+jmbsvicetto> ok
+19:41 <@quantumsummers> maybe dabbott would assist as an election staffer
+19:41 <@NeddySeagoon> I don't thing its Robin
+19:41 <@quantumsummers> maybe just me then
+19:41 <@dabbott> sure
+19:41 <+jmbsvicetto> unless anyone sees any reason not to, I'm going to volunteer as an election official again
+19:41 <@quantumsummers> jmbsvicetto: +1
+19:42 <@NeddySeagoon> what about conflict of interests of having trustees help run the election ?
+19:42 <@dabbott> thanks jmbsvicetto
+19:42 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: I was an official for the last one.
+19:42 <@quantumsummers> I think its ok, as long as the official is not running :)
+19:42 <+jmbsvicetto> antarus away message states he's willing to run an election. So if we need someone, we can poke him
+19:42 <@NeddySeagoon> ok
+19:43 <@quantumsummers> kk
+19:43 <+jmbsvicetto> Then there's rane and dberkholz that may also be willing to do it
+19:43 <@quantumsummers> sounds good
+19:43 <@NeddySeagoon> is rane around ? I've not seen hime on IRC for ages
+19:43 <@dabbott> I say if we can get someone that is not a trustee better yet
+19:43 <@quantumsummers> and for the record, I will run for re-election if that is cool with everyone
+19:43 <@dabbott> NeddySeagoon: he has been around
+19:43 <@quantumsummers> NeddySeagoon: he is around a bit, yes
+19:43 <+jmbsvicetto> He's around, just hidding ;)
+19:44 <@dabbott> quantumsummers: yes yes :)
+19:44 <@NeddySeagoon> quantumsummers, sure.  I would like for the board to endorse any retiring members who stand for reelection
+19:45 <@NeddySeagoon> Agenda Item 10.  Responsibilities
+19:45 <@quantumsummers> ok.
+19:45 <@NeddySeagoon> I'll do the log and 3 emails
+19:45 <@dabbott> I will do the motion
+19:45 <@NeddySeagoon> Item 11  Open Floor
+19:45 <@NeddySeagoon> thanks dabbott 
+19:46 <@dabbott> np
+19:47  * NeddySeagoon bangs the gavel to close the meeting. (Carefully avoiding jmbsvicettos fingers)